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chonchon
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Re: old photo of pipe vendor

Postby chonchon » Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:07 am

And pipe mender? Fix your bamboo tube while you wait?
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Re: old photo of pipe vendor

Postby dougsanders » Fri Mar 23, 2018 12:33 pm

Martyn- yes, those were the items I was talking about. I'd have thought that tobacco would be sold through an apothecary, or the equivalent. Don't you think it would have been regulated?
I agree - some of these old photos point towards more than meets the eye. I've got my eye on his coat though- I could use a nice warm one like that around my house in the winter.

As Piers says, the other guy is an itinerant pipe mender. Have a look at those church wardens in the back left of the shot! :lust:
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Re: old photo of pipe vendor

Postby souldeep » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:39 am

tanukisan wrote:This pipe vendor is a bit more down market........

Although.. Thoroughly modernised. Look at his Meiji dress code.

Nice share John. Many of these earlier Japanese photos appear to be staged. For example look how the wood block he uses to bash the kiseru onto the bamboo stem is frozen.

What surprised me in Dougs image is that it breaks the staged element somewhat. It looks like the photographer of that image just decided on a whim to photograph the stand. The vendors too humble to argue or pose.

What I particularly like about John's image is that I can picture this guy on his way home. He has the larger of the two cabinets on his back, the smaller worn on his front (without there is a second individual that helps out of shot e.g. his son). You can see the straps on both cabinets. One strap even seems to have his cash register (or is it a begging pot?) attached.
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Re: old photo of pipe vendor

Postby souldeep » Sat Mar 24, 2018 6:53 am

dougsanders wrote:Martyn- yes, those were the items I was talking about. I'd have thought that tobacco would be sold through an apothecary, or the equivalent. Don't you think it would have been regulated?

It's a good question Doug. The images are late 19th at the earliest. However post the 17thC the government didn't regulate tobacco again until 1904. How tobacco was controlled or sold pre 1904 remains a mystery to me. Maybe Piers has some ideas regarding this?

dougsanders wrote:Have a look at those church wardens in the back left of the shot! :lust:

Sorry, you have me. Have no idea what you are referring to?
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Re: old photo of pipe vendor

Postby tanukisan » Sat Mar 24, 2018 10:05 am

souldeep wrote:
dougsanders wrote:Have a look at those church wardens in the back left of the shot! :lust:

Sorry, you have me. Have no idea what you are referring to?


A churchwarden pipe is a tobacco pipe with a long stem. Churchwarden pipes were reputedly named after churchwardens, or night watchmen of churches in the time that churches never locked their doors. These "churchwardens" could not be expected to go all night without a smoke, so they had pipes that were made with exceptionally long stems so the smoke and the pipe wouldn't be in their line of sight as they kept watch.
Such pipes were very popular as an Oriental influence from the seventeenth century onwards in Europe. They remained most popular in Eastern Europe, as an emblem of the Hussars, cavalry troops with roots in Hungary and Poland. This long stem pipe type has its origins in the Ottoman Empire, geographically and historically. Churchwarden pipes generally produce a cooler smoke due to the distance smoke must travel from the bowl to the mouthpiece. They have the added benefit of keeping the user's face further away from the heat and smoke produced by combustion in the bowl.

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Re: old photo of pipe vendor

Postby souldeep » Sun Mar 25, 2018 7:00 am

Thanks John. A very comprehensive explanation :D
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Re: old photo of pipe vendor

Postby chonchon » Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:01 am

Regarding the sale of tobacco pre-1904 I have no idea at present, but a quick Wiki or Google should bring up something. Japanese naval and land troops were smoking throughout Meiji, so had to buy their smoking ration somewhere, presumably at the corner shop. The whole Edo period will be the big question.
Today every leaf on every plant in a tobacco field is numbered and counted. On the honeymoon I stopped the car and was about to take a leaf for a laugh when my wife warned me that it was a crime and would be noticed if the leaf numbers did not add up.
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Re: old photo of pipe vendor

Postby ABland » Sun Mar 25, 2018 9:10 am

Those are really interesting pictures. A lot of the pouches and netsuke look like the cheap (ish) ones you see at many flea markets in japan today. They must have been the bread and butter of the meiji Japan while high end merchants may have specialisted in art netsuke and pipes ect. Here is a print i photographed in the edo museum in Tokyo showing a pipe vendor/ craftsmen. I mainly took the picture as i liked the set of draws but the ones in the photographs do not look as neat.
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Reason: We rotated the picture Adam. Thanks for sharing this.


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