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Inro Signature

Postby calbear » Mon Aug 08, 2016 1:13 pm

Would appreciate any assistance available on this signature .... Tried a few sources, and remain stumped on the first character - not a good start! ...
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Re: Inro Signature

Postby Tama » Mon Aug 08, 2016 2:50 pm

Could the first character be Azuma or To? I found in Davey index page 450 # 41 and page 538 # 2912. Perhaps To?
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Re: Inro Signature

Postby jbjtennyo » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:14 pm

The first kanji looks the most like Soku (250 in Laz) however there seems to be an extra stroke inside the box on your inro.
The kanji second to the last is Laz 227 - yoshi or ki, and the last one looks sort of like Butsu 266.
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Re: Inro Signature

Postby TSB » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:02 pm

Dear calbear,

The first three Kanji reads Toryusai (東流斉), the fourth must be 吉 (Yoshi, Kichi or Kitsu), but the last Kanji I can not figure out yet.

In Inro and other miniature forms of Japanese Lacquer Art by Melvin and Betty Jahss, there is an Artist with name Toryusai mentioned „Skillfull Inro Artist of the 19th Century“.
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Re: Inro Signature

Postby calbear » Mon Aug 08, 2016 7:22 pm

Jill/Judy/Thomas, thanks for your assistance! .... Toryusai (+) it is ... this was a go used by a few different artists, but I haven't been able to adequately connect the inro style to known styles .. (This is a piece that I'm considering - I'll provide additional pics if/when it's appropriate) ... I'll keep digging, but thanks again for setting me well onto the right track ...

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Re: Inro Signature

Postby chonchon » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:26 am

At first glance it looks like ToryuSai Yoshifusa. I will double check when I get a minute.
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Re: Inro Signature

Postby chonchon » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:34 am

http://www.ne.jp/asahi/kato/yoshio/aiue ... uusai.html

A Japanese reference book of 1931 lists an Ukiyo-e artist named ToryuSai.
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Re: Inro Signature

Postby kikue » Wed Aug 10, 2016 7:13 pm

Piers is right. It is Tōryūsai Yoshifusa (東流斉 吉房) with kakihan.

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Re: Inro Signature

Postby calbear » Thu Aug 11, 2016 12:09 am

Thanks to all who have helped to translate! .... Interesting - there is reference to a Toryusai in Wrangham, but nothing on Toryusai Yoshifusa .... more digging required ....

And now the next puzzle - any theories on the depiction? .... Nothing comes to mind immediately - but perhaps the clues of the basket of fish and the unusual headgear will lead us somewhere ..... Thanks .....

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Re: Inro Signature

Postby tanukisan » Mon Aug 15, 2016 8:13 am

Hi Steve, your inro scene depicts the humiliation of Han Xin , one of the three heroes of the early Han dynasty (Kanshin in Japan)
- as an impoverished youth he was accosted by another fisherman who bullied him for no apparent reason, challenging him to fight or else get down on his knees and crawl humbly between the bully’s outstretched legs. Despite the catcalls of the bystanders , Kanshin decided that discretion was the better part of valour and refused to fight the bully.
Here is a similar inro scene from the Boston Museum of Fine Arts -
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