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Sets of Sagemono

A place to discuss and share other forms of sagemono such as Inro, Pipe Cases etc
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Re: Sets of Sagemono

Postby DSW90049 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 8:45 pm

Responding to Piers' inquiry a few posts back, and referring to my set (first post in this thread), the underside of the clasp has a coin-like appearance, as you can see in this pic.

And yes, Alan, the papers inside are old newspaper stuffed in as you said, to make the pouch look fuller.
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Re: Sets of Sagemono

Postby AFNetsuke » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:08 pm

Looks like a Chinese coin that was adapted for use in the clasp system. A late 1800s Kiang Nan province silver dollar sold for almost $200,000 a few years ago.
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Re: Sets of Sagemono

Postby DSW90049 » Fri Jul 08, 2016 9:28 pm

I think you mean late 1800's, no?

This one is 36 Candareens and defaced to be made into the male portion
of the clasp.

Don't think I'll be quitting my Day Job on this one, but Piers guessed right!

Wonder what the back story of using Chinese coins to make Japanese tobacco pouch clasps might be? That should get our research-minded folks' minds buzzing!

Extra credit for finding how many Candareens to a dollar!
Hint: it is a measure of weight.
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Re: Sets of Sagemono

Postby AFNetsuke » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:37 am

Yes, David, I was going to write turn of the century or circa 1900 but but typed late 1900's. I think the expensive coin was dated around 1896 and have corrected my post...also the price I believe was only $200K. The maker of this piece was likely just in need of a more or less circular piece of metal that could be used. He may not have even had a clue what the inscriptions on it meant (or cared...apparently it worked).
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Re: Sets of Sagemono

Postby chonchon » Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:43 am

Back when I dabbled with coin collecting, I had quite a few of these candareen coins in both copper and 88% silver. The silver ones represented the various districts around China, like David's Kiang Nan dragon coin above. (Jiang Nan today.)
http://ykleungn.tripod.com/kiangn01.htm
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Re: Sets of Sagemono

Postby DSW90049 » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:27 am

MOST interesting, Piers.

I spent a good bit of time collecting coins, but only US.

So there's a dragon theme here.
But, why the chickens on the inside clasp?
Are they Asian Zodiac opposites?
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Re: Sets of Sagemono

Postby chonchon » Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:24 am

Dragon food in the afterlife? :mrgreen:
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Re: Sets of Sagemono

Postby DSW90049 » Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:51 pm

But of course!
Dragons are well known to prefer Col. Sanders' (KFC, for younger folks) extra crispy fried chicken.
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