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Bonhams Katchen Collection Part II

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Re: Bonhams Katchen Collection Part II

Postby KPR » Tue May 23, 2017 6:18 am

Hiryu wrote:Is there any way to tell when specific pieces were acquired by the Katchens?

Neil Davey wrote a detailed introduction in the catalog Katchen Part II.
Can also be read on the Internet. Here is a section.
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Please note the following. Arlette has sold and bought many Netsuke in a period of about 40 years. Therefore, many "Julius pieces" have been replaced by "Arlette pieces".
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Re: Bonhams Katchen Collection Part II

Postby chonchon » Tue May 23, 2017 8:00 am

Ah, thank you Klaus. That partly explains it.
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Re: Bonhams Katchen Collection Part II

Postby mss » Tue May 23, 2017 6:24 pm

Katchen II a very interesting sale. Pieces at all levels, including some "blockbusters".

Lots of thought goes into what to bid on. I don't often get a chance to bid in person, but evaluation by a trusted dealer goes a long way in my book. Occasionally, knowing which dealer handled the netsuke in the past also helps (some have better reputation for quality), although provenance has too much of an influence on price IMO .

Because of CITES hassles, didn't consider ivory pieces. Two very nice Sukenaga netsuke were on offer, #22 transforming fox, and #106 monkey. The first I underbid, the second went up so fast couldn't even get started.

Since only Klaus admits to winning a piece at this auction, thought I'd add another. #68 Kokei hare (working on a junishi set). In answer to a previous question, this piece acquired by the Katchens in 1963.

Haven't handled this netsuke as yet, hope it's nice in hand.
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Re: Bonhams Katchen Collection Part II

Postby AFNetsuke » Tue May 23, 2017 8:28 pm

Thanks for posting it Milton and hope it meets your expectations.
Are you collecting a Junishi set specifically all carved by Kokei? I'm guessing you must be since you likely already had a rabbit.
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Re: Bonhams Katchen Collection Part II

Postby mss » Wed May 24, 2017 12:55 am

No Alan, nothing so ambitious. I keep my collection small. Simply needed a hare, as I had traded my previous one--and this one looked as good as I've seen in a while. Alas, the Szechenyi Tomotada hare was beyond my means.

I too hope the Kokei holds up in hand. One thing I have learned, it's hard to judge a piece by its photo. Sometimes I'm disappointed, but then sometimes I'm amazed--we'll see.

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Re: Bonhams Katchen Collection Part II

Postby KPR » Wed May 24, 2017 10:12 am

When reading the provenance in the catalog I have noticed the following different formulations (I think that Arlette's documents were very detailed):

A) the name of the seller (former owner, auction house, dealer, etc.)
B) as A), but additionally sales location, catalog number, sales year
C) as B) but additionally with the word purchased.

Is my observation just hair-splitting or is there more?
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Re: Bonhams Katchen Collection Part II

Postby tanukisan » Wed May 24, 2017 11:40 am

Perhaps the following extract from aLondon auction catalogue might through some light on the 'A,B,C's' Klaus -

''Description: A JAPANESE WOOD NETSUKE OF A NURSING MERMAID, EDO PERIOD, CIRCA 1790
a characterful old carving, unsigned
5.5cm long
Provenance: E.A. Wrangham; Bonham's, London, Wrangham Part III, 15 May 2012, estimated £800-900; T. Hahn collection; Arlette Katchen collection
At the Wrangham auction, the lot was hotly contested by two very determined collectors, Hahn and Katchen, the former winning it for £6,875. He later gracefully conceded it to Mme. Katchen for the price he paid. ''
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Re: Bonhams Katchen Collection Part II

Postby lohrberg » Wed May 24, 2017 3:26 pm

KPR wrote:When reading the provenance in the catalog I have noticed the following different formulations

A) the name of the seller (former owner, auction house, dealer, etc.)
B) as A), but additionally sales location, catalog number, sales year
C) as B) but additionally with the word purchased.

Is my observation just hair-splitting or is there more?


Dear Mr. KPR,
your post gave me reason to have a look again in the Katchen II Catalogue. I went through from Lot 1 to lot 200. As it was the property of the Katchen's I assume, that all pieces were PURCHASED by them. They were not donated, inherited or given as gifts.

Why then, the cataloguer mentions 27 netsuke as purchased in combination with the date of the purchase? They are the following numbers:

051 1961
052 1959
058 1964
066 1959
079 1962
098 1968
100 1965
105 1966
106 1965
112 1963
122 1958
128 1961
131 1964
132 1959
133 1965
137 1969
138 1965
141 1962
157 1967
164 1960
175 1963
179 1968
182 1969
187 1968
188 1965
194 1965
197 1965

Conclusion:
From those 200 netsuke only 27 can be connected without doubt to Julius. These 27 he hold in his hands (pure provenance). All the other 173 netsuke could have been bought after Julius' death in 1969.

May be not so nice an idea for some buyers, if they follow the general attitude, that Julius was the Genius of the couple.

However a very good marketing event for all parties, the owner Arlette, the auction house and the buyers. High prices, few remaining pieces. The Netsuke World breathes and is alive in full swing ...........,

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Re: Bonhams Katchen Collection Part II

Postby onimh » Wed May 24, 2017 3:27 pm

Sold for 1,800 euros.
Quite a few Arlette Katchen collection netsuke were for sale in this auction, almost all for under 1,000.

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Re: Bonhams Katchen Collection Part II

Postby KPR » Wed May 24, 2017 9:08 pm

Rheinhard, this was my guess. The same was also observed in Katchen I.
Whoever is interested in Julius pieces is on the safe side when the combination is purchased and the year under 1969.
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