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Re: Signature TSUNE-MITSU 恒光

Postby AFNetsuke » Wed Feb 28, 2018 1:52 am

Thank you Clive! What causes a sort of "clubbing" effect at the ends of some strokes that would seem to suggest a fine drill burr is involved? L
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Re: Signature TSUNE-MITSU 恒光

Postby Clive » Wed Feb 28, 2018 4:46 am

Hi Alan,

That "clubbing effect" would be one of the things I was thinking about when I wrote "why one might be a tad suspicious about these cuts".
That said.. while such an effect could have be made by a burr, it could have been equally caused by a traditional carving gouge.. so neither here nor there as they say.

Since I'm pretty sure the rest of the carving was carved using traditional hand tools, I would want evidence that definitively suggests the use of a powertool to convince myself that something different happened with the signature and the hilum line and I'm just not seeing that.
I do however know that if I take a small gouge.. like this one of my own tools..
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I can make an end cut that looks like this..
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Which is very similar to the end of the cut on the signature
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Re: Signature TSUNE-MITSU 恒光

Postby chonchon » Wed Feb 28, 2018 5:36 am

Thank you Clive for the wise words. Now I am glad I never actually spoke the R word... :D

On the other hand, that is one badly-proportioned and scrappy signature. The top right quadrant of mitsu for example, is just wrong... 光 However you place the top three marks (vertical and two rays), the central line really needs to be a solid horizontal.

Some Japanese do have sloppy writing, though, my wife for one.
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Re: Signature TSUNE-MITSU 恒光

Postby HLH » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:06 am

Clive!

Thanks for your sophisticated analysis of the carving technique thats been used on this piece. Now I feel a lot better as I’m very fond of this little netsuke. If the signature was added later or not, it doesn’t matter as long as its not been made by a machine tool.
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Re: Signature TSUNE-MITSU 恒光

Postby dougsanders » Wed Feb 28, 2018 2:25 pm

Clive- I hadn't ever heard of the term Hilum so I looked it up and I see it's the scar left on a seed from attachment. I didn't know of it applied to wood carving.

I was a little suspicious of a rotary carved signature too, but I do recognize Clive's observation of the U-Shaped mark left at the end of a gouge stroke. Well spotted! I think we can see a similar mark if we follow that stroke upwards, crossing the horizontal stroke and then into the top stroke that follows the same line. There's a U-scar there too, maybe. The clubbing, to answer the question, can be caused by the effect where one begins a stroke by unconsciously applying a bit more pressure at the start of a stroke, thus plunging the ball-shaped burr a little deeper, creating a wider mark.
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Re: Signature TSUNE-MITSU 恒光

Postby HLH » Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:48 pm

Information regarding this artist works, I’ve been suggested that he could belong to the Nagoya school.
Any opinions of is or not!
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