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homage to father and son

Postby Floridanetsuke » Fri Sep 29, 2017 6:07 pm

Two of my favorites. One done by father other done by his son.
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Re: homage to father and son

Postby AFNetsuke » Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:02 am

I don't see signatures so could you provide us with some information on these?
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Re: homage to father and son

Postby Floridanetsuke » Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:26 am

The skull and raven was carved out one piece of tokata ivory by Meigyokusai.The skull structure is anatomically correct and hollowed out.
The wood raven surrounding an ivory skull was done by Tanetoshi as a homage to Meigyokusai his father's skull and raven

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Re: homage to father and son

Postby AFNetsuke » Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:04 am

Thanks. They seem familiar. Have they been published or shown here before? Perhaps I'm remembering a piece Luigi has shown.
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Re: homage to father and son

Postby chonchon » Sun Oct 01, 2017 9:28 am

Pushing the 'like' button...
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Re: homage to father and son

Postby LUBlub » Sun Oct 01, 2017 10:07 am

AFNetsuke wrote:Thanks. They seem familiar. Have they been published or shown here before? Perhaps I'm remembering a piece Luigi has shown.


Hi Alan, in fact...here the subject.
I confess I never knew or saw a skull and Raven completely in ivory) made by Meigiokusai, an excellent artist (Meigin Hiraga) (1896)
In my records I knew before only two skulls and Raven both in wood and ivory, and both published in books.


So some questions because I think Floridanetsuke has the replies or opinions ...(is dealer?)
why the certainty about Tokata?
some explanation about the unusual raven ivory stained color very different from the other two?
let's have clear sign photographs in both pieces.
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Re: homage to father and son

Postby Floridanetsuke » Sun Oct 01, 2017 12:18 pm

Thanks for the comments. I am a private collector.As to the Meigyokusai it is signed "Meigyokusai 80 year old man" .It was carved in 1977. Meigyokusai had no problem carving the same netsuke over and over as long as he was paid. He used takata ivory because it is soft and allowed the anatomically correct skull to be carved without cracking.
The first one was commissioned by Hurtig and is pictured in Kinseys living masters.Mine is the second all ivory. Subsequently as he got low on ivory he carved the eagle out of wood.
Tanetoshi apprenticed to his father. The skull is also takata and the raven is wood.I also have the original tomobako.
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Re: homage to father and son

Postby LUBlub » Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:58 pm

Floridanetsuke wrote:Thanks for the comments. I am a private collector.As to the Meigyokusai it is signed "Meigyokusai 80 year old man" .It was carved in 1977. Meigyokusai had no problem carving the same netsuke over and over as long as he was paid. He used takata ivory because it is soft and allowed the anatomically correct skull to be carved without cracking.
The first one was commissioned by Hurtig and is pictured in Kinseys living masters.Mine is the second all ivory. Subsequently as he got low on ivory he carved the eagle out of wood.
Tanetoshi apprenticed to his father. The skull is also takata and the raven is wood.I also have the original tomobako.


Tks for your infos...read the section MaterialsElephant Ivory wih comments about TOKATA ivory... the differences who justify the cost of the material surely Clive Hallan as top expert in material have all kind of explanation for you.
Stiil I have not and never knew references about this subject completely in ivory....
And surprised about the good will of the artist to carver any quantity against payment....
Interesting development on this subjet ....
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Re: homage to father and son

Postby Clive » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:07 pm

Floridanetsuke wrote:He used takata ivory because it is soft and allowed the anatomically correct skull to be carved without cracking.


Leonard, I don't know where you might have got the above notion from but I can assure you that tokata is not soft.. it's a hard, finely grained ivory predominately sourced from certain sections of Burmese, Thai and Cambodian elephant tusk.

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Re: homage to father and son

Postby Floridanetsuke » Mon Oct 02, 2017 2:59 pm

Perhaps soft was the wrong term to use. I meant to convey that because of its grain consistency it was less prone to cracking and flaking during fine detail carving.


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