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Victor
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Father & son straining liquid

Postby Victor » Wed Dec 07, 2016 8:58 pm

I bought this seemingly Edo period wooden netsuke several weeks ago and have been trying to read the signature, without success. Can anyone help please. Apology for picture quality
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tanukisan
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Re: Father & son straining liquid

Postby tanukisan » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:13 pm

If you turned the signature upside down Victor, it just might read ICHIMIN - I seem to remember seeing this piece for sale on e-bay from a seller based in Tokyo.

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Re: Father & son straining liquid

Postby Vlad » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:59 pm

A nice old netsuke. The question, as always is - which Ichimin this may be?
"Man sieht nur, was man weiß" - "One sees only what one knows". Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)

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Re: Father & son straining liquid

Postby chonchon » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:00 am

Love it. Merchant and servant even? I wonder what they are pouring/straining? What kind of pot has a handle so low down? It looks like liquid, but the lower bag looks like it should be for grain...?
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Re: Father & son straining liquid

Postby AFNetsuke » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:52 am

It is an unusual depiction. If funneling grain into a bag it should have been easy for the carver to represent at least some grain details. The stream looks like liquid. A filtering process in making sake??
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Re: Father & son straining liquid

Postby Victor » Thu Dec 08, 2016 8:53 pm

Well spotted John, I did buy it on Ebay in May, doesn't seem that long ago but time flies. I have attached some better focussed pictures. To me it seems that father & son or man & servant are pouring the liquid into a heavy muslin type sack and it filters through into a large pot underneath, supporting the idea that they're making sake. Thanks for your reading of the signature Ichimin
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Re: Father & son straining liquid

Postby szwang » Fri Dec 09, 2016 12:14 am

To me it looks more like Issai? 一斎

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Re: Father & son straining liquid

Postby jbjtennyo » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:14 am

A nice honest old netsuke.. Congrats on a good find. As you know, I am not an expert on signatures, only count strokes and match shapes - but it looks like Issai to me as well. Take a look in Laz--the "Sai" kanji is sometimes slanted but generally seems to be more a predominantly up and down stroke on the bottom right, or slanted to the left, where as the "Min" generally has a slanted stroke to the right on the bottom right.
In this instance, the stroke I am speaking of is straight up and down.
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Re: Father & son straining liquid

Postby Vlad » Fri Dec 09, 2016 1:48 am

LAZ lists a metal carver Ichimin with a similar signature, but not a wood one :o
"Man sieht nur, was man weiß" - "One sees only what one knows". Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)

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Re: Father & son straining liquid

Postby Victor » Sat Dec 10, 2016 10:31 am

Thanks for comments and in particular ideas relating to the signature, I have spotted another possibility ie:- Isshin, middle period who carved in wood, similar signature, I'm interested to hear any comments about this possibility.


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