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Reading signatures

Postby HLH » Sun Dec 03, 2017 2:45 pm

Dear friends,

I’ve a problem reading some signatures. I would be most grateful if you can help.

Kind regards
Henrik
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Re: Reading signatures

Postby AFNetsuke » Sun Dec 03, 2017 4:51 pm

Henrik, don't feel bad. None of us can read these either as they are squiggles mimicking signatures. The ones with the inlaid plaques are like the cabinet full of sale "netsuke" I encountered in a bead shop pictured in the introduction to Modern Tourist Souvenir Netsuke and Netsuke-like Objects. The shop was making a handsome profit on them and they were all US $25-30 each. About 200 more of them were in a plastic tub and even cheaper.
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Re: Reading signatures

Postby HLH » Sun Dec 03, 2017 5:29 pm

Alan,
Thanks for your response. My knowledge in Japanese signs are limited to check and compare in books like in Davey’s but I’m missing a book with photos taken directly from the netsuke. I’m trying to make some statistics on NLO signatures. This to avoid new copies and help myself and maybe others to understand and not buying wrong items.
This is why I like to have the actual names translated to english.

Henrik
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Re: Reading signatures

Postby Oishii » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:25 pm

HLH wrote:Alan,
Thanks for your response. My knowledge in Japanese signs are limited to check and compare in books like in Davey’s but I’m missing a book with photos taken directly from the netsuke. I’m trying to make some statistics on NLO signatures. This to avoid new copies and help myself and maybe others to understand and not buying wrong items.
This is why I like to have the actual names translated to english.

Henrik


Dear Henrik,
We believe that the signature may not be the essential element in the assessment of a netsuke.
Looking at a netsuke, there will be some characteristics that are convincing of its quality or authenticity ...
Or they ring the alarm bell point to the piece being an NLO or a fake.
The NLO characteristics are described well in Alan's general post that is sticky on the NLO category.
The weak scribbles of "signatures" may confirm that the piece is an HK knock off.
But looking at the characteristics of this sort of carving will already have given 90 % certainty that the piece is not collectable.
That's why we think it is better to refrain from translating the so-called "signatures".
A registry of the names on these scribbles would not make much sense : instead we focus on how these look like ...

Good luck and do not hesitate to ask if you are in doubt about a netsuke :)
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Re: Reading signatures

Postby Oishii » Sun Dec 03, 2017 7:02 pm

As an addendum to the post above, we would like to provide you with a fun little exercise :

which one is not an NLO in this collage of goats ?
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There is one NLO Shoki in this one ... which one ?
Shoki.jpg


Have fun and please do not hesitate to ask further guidance of our members ...
Jan

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Re: Reading signatures

Postby HLH » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:06 pm

Jan,
I think (guess) the goat on the top right is genuine and the shoki with the climbing boy is a fake. But hard to just with a small photo.
Henrik

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Re: Reading signatures

Postby souldeep » Mon Dec 04, 2017 7:26 pm

HLH wrote:Jan,
I think (guess) the goat on the top right is genuine and the shoki with the climbing boy is a fake. But hard to just with a small photo.


You're right regarding the shoki. But no cigar on the goat. Try again ;)
Piglet: "Pooh?" Pooh: "Yes, Piglet?" Piglet: "I've been thinking..." Pooh: "That's a very good habit to get into to, Piglet." - A.A. Milne.

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Re: Reading signatures

Postby HLH » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:36 pm

Ok! Then one step down with the natural eyes.
Henrik

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Re: Reading signatures

Postby chonchon » Tue Dec 05, 2017 3:06 am

I’ll go with Henrik on the middle right goat.
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Re: Reading signatures

Postby souldeep » Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:44 am

chonchon wrote:I’ll go with Henrik on the middle right goat.

Morning Piers. Henrik went with the top right goat.
Piglet: "Pooh?" Pooh: "Yes, Piglet?" Piglet: "I've been thinking..." Pooh: "That's a very good habit to get into to, Piglet." - A.A. Milne.


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