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Ryusa netsuke?

Postby GRHR » Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:48 pm

Dear Forum,
Attached are some pics of a beautiful netsuke that I'm not sure what type it would be classified as - Ryusa?? I've been researching the piece and found that it depicts emblems of the 7 Gods of Good Fortune although I'm not sure what all 7 objects are. Currently I have the following:
Jurojin’s fan, Daikoku’s mallet, Hotei’s bag - if anyone has any idea what the other objects are that'd be great!
Also, I found on pinterest the piece that mine is clearly copied from in a Cornell University collection but the link to Cornell doesn't work and I can find no more information about it (link here: https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/247698048232600507/ ). As the netsuke is not signed, I have no idea who may have carved it or which "school" etc. so if anyone has any ideas on either of these it would greatly help me research the piece.
Many thanks in advance!
G.
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Re: Ryusa netsuke?

Postby Oishii » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:22 pm

Hi Giles,

I like your Ryusa Manju a lot !
Indeed, you are quite right that it is associated with the Lucky Gods and the ensemble of treasures is called the Takaramono, a common subject.

We would like to quote from Joly's "Legends" and - to make it more digestible - show the fitting drawing from Hokusai's Mangwa (last page of Volume III :

Which one of the following can you find on your Manju ?

" The Takaramono is a collection of objects, each endowed with emblematic meaning, the representation of which is fairly common. They are associated with the Gods of Luck, and form the contents of Hotei's bag, or the cargo of the Takarabune.
Grouped together in a compact shape they are met with in netsuke, whilst a picture showing them in detail will be found on the last page of the third volume of Hokusai's Mangwa.
The various objects are :
- The hat of invisibility (Kakuregasa) ;
Kakuregasa.png

- Rolls of Brocade (Orimono) ;
Orimono.png

- a purse of Money, quite inexhaustible (Kanebukuro) ;
Kanebukuro.png

- the sacred keys of the Godown of the Gods (Kagi) ;
Kagi.png

- Cloves (Choji) ;
Choji.png

- Scrolls or books (Makimono), often confused with the brocade, or replacing it ;
Makimono2.png

- Daikoku's Hammer (Tsuchi) ;
Tsuchi.png

- the lucky rain coat, Kakure Mino, protection against evil spirits ;
Kakuremino.png

- a flat oval object, perhaps a coin, found often associated with ornamental designs ; and called Shippo Tsunagi no uchinu hana bishi, i.e., a hana bishi, within a [connected] shippo.
shippo tsnunagi.png

- A weight called Fundo ;
Fundo.png

- The sacred gem, Hojin no Tama, either singly, or a group of Tama on a stand (Tai) ;
Tama2.png

Tama.png

- also sometimes a lion playing with the jewel Shishidama ;
Shishidama.png

- the Koban ni Hako, or Senriobako, is the figure called "one thousand Ryos in a chest";
Koban-ni-Hako.png

- a jar (Kotsubo) contains coral, coin, precious goods.
Kotsubo.png

Money is again represented by the copper cash, Zeni,
Zeni.png

and the Cowry-shell called Kai.
kai.png

- Coral branches (Sangoju) ;
coral.png

- an anchor (Ikari)
anchor.png

- an orange-like fruit, Tachibana,
Tachibana.png

and some harpischord bridges (Kotoji)
Kotoji.png

and the list terminates with the feather robe of the Tennins (Hagoromo)
Hagoromono.png

and the emblem of authority, the flat Chinese fan, Uchiwa. "
Uchiwa.png
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Re: Ryusa netsuke?

Postby chonchon » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:22 am

Lovely ryusa manju, and a great list of treasures, Oishii! 8-)
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Re: Ryusa netsuke?

Postby tanukisan » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:14 pm

Totally endorse Piers - beautiful netsuke and an excellent exposition from Jan!
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Re: Ryusa netsuke?

Postby Operafan » Fri Oct 27, 2017 12:43 pm

+1 :)
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Re: Ryusa netsuke?

Postby jbjtennyo » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:28 pm

Hi G, I also agree that this is a lovely ryusa netsuke. It would be a welcome addition to any collection. I had posted earlier today, saying the same but with some concern over the himotoshi, as it looks so white in the image, and I thought at the time possibly added. But when I looked at the comparison Ryusa from the museum (which I should have done in the first place!), the himotoshi was handled in the same manner. Consequently I deleted my post as the question was answered by my seeing the comparison. Although the ryusa differ in the details to the objects as well, they certainly look to be related in some way. It is such a sweet thing, and a nice compact composition.. Congratulations on finding it!
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Re: Ryusa netsuke?

Postby souldeep » Fri Oct 27, 2017 4:30 pm

Informative post Jan! Thanks.

Nice ryusa. Well found.
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Re: Ryusa netsuke?

Postby GRHR » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:28 pm

Wow! Jan, your post is incredible and so informative - many thanks.
So far I have found:
- a purse of Money, quite inexhaustible (Kanebukuro)
- the sacred keys of the Godown of the Gods (Kagi) ;
- Cloves (Choji) ;
- Scrolls or books (Makimono), often confused with the brocade, or replacing it ;
- Daikoku's Hammer (Tsuchi) ;
- the lucky rain coat, Kakure Mino, protection against evil spirits (I thought this was seaweed!) ;
- a flat oval object, perhaps a coin, found often associated with ornamental designs ; and called Shippo Tsunagi no uchinu hana bishi, i.e., a hana bishi, within a [connected] shippo.
- The sacred gem, Hojin no Tama, either singly, or a group of Tama on a stand (Tai) ;
Money is again represented by the copper cash, Zeni,
- Coral branches (Sangoju) ;
the feather robe of the Tennins (Hagoromo)
and the emblem of authority, the flat Chinese fan, Uchiwa.

If I want to learn more about the Takaramono, are there any affordable books or websites I should look at?
Many thanks again - I couldn't have hoped for such an informative response.
Best,
Giles

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Re: Ryusa netsuke?

Postby Operafan » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:38 pm

Hi Giles,

The book Legends in Japanese Art by Joly is available for free download. Here is the link:

https://archive.org/details/legendinjapanese00jolyuoft

Enjoy !
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Re: Ryusa netsuke?

Postby GRHR » Fri Oct 27, 2017 6:51 pm

Just downloaded - fun Friday night reading!
Alex, you're a hero!


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