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Netsuke type ?

Postby pber » Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:38 pm

Dear all,

I would like to identify a netsuke , I attached some photos ...

What type is it ? is it authentic ? ....

Thanks a lot

Paolo
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Re: Netsuke type ?

Postby Vlad » Wed Mar 01, 2017 4:22 pm

Looks like a mingei quality piece carved of walrus tusk with help of rotary tools sometime after WWII to me.
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Re: Netsuke type ?

Postby pber » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:06 pm

Thanks ...they told me that is more old 19 Century ...with the Himotoshi on the bottom...

It it true ?

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Re: Netsuke type ?

Postby LUBlub » Wed Mar 01, 2017 5:17 pm

pber wrote:Thanks ...they told me that is more old 19 Century ...with the Himotoshi on the bottom...

It it true ?


Probably you are italian...who told you older than 19th C.? some local dealer? ...
The piece look to me more for export - touristic purposes.
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Re: Netsuke type ?

Postby Vlad » Wed Mar 01, 2017 6:25 pm

I am not particularly happy with this upcoming Zacke auction selection and attributions overall...

And these look like clear signs of rotary tools use to me.
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Re: Netsuke type ?

Postby AFNetsuke » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:13 pm

Vlad, I looked briefly at the Zacke material but don't recall seeing the piece in question (as nothing about it would catch my eye).
But the piece listed as 9.3cm dia by 5.3cm ht seems awfully large for a manju. What else would you call it though?
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Re: Netsuke type ?

Postby Vlad » Wed Mar 01, 2017 8:59 pm

Here is the link to the piece in question, Alan.
http://www.zacke.at/en/collection/20020 ... ng-man-bag

I assume you are referring to the piece next to it. I would not call it a netsuke to start with, and the signature quality doesn't raise a level of confidence in me either...
http://www.zacke.at/en/collection/20020 ... ine-dragon
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Re: Netsuke type ?

Postby pber » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:26 am

...ok so now following your comment ...how can an auction be reliable and with consistency description and information on it ?
I believe that "Zacke auction" is quite reputable "auction house" isn't it ?

Thanks ...

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Re: Netsuke type ?

Postby jbjtennyo » Thu Mar 02, 2017 11:36 am

Like Vlad, I looked through the online catalogue as well, and was surprised to see so many unimpressive netsuke, but thought it just might be "me". This dragon Manju, I thought was kind of nice, but looking at it closely, especially on the image showing the signature, it has the gunk on it that molded pieces have to cover up the fact they are composition and not wood. (I handled the coiled rat that showed up time and again that Old Kappa had exposed and it was covered in this same stuff) On the manju, the signature is in a strange place too.
Judy

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Re: Netsuke type ?

Postby LUBlub » Thu Mar 02, 2017 2:10 pm

Zacke auction...

LYING MAN WITH BAG
Catalog Number: Ne0417-277
Netsuke, ivory
Japan
19th cent….- 1801 to 1900 ? ...Not at all IMHO...

Starting Price: € 150
Estimated Price: € 300…surely the price reflect the quality
Expertise: Wolfmar Zacken…The word Expertise have a great responsibility

and agree with Judy..
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