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Netsuke or not...

Postby lmallier » Mon Jun 13, 2016 2:59 pm

Here is a recently acquired Netsuke or not... Flat tusk section. Extremely finely engraved. Both Japanese and Chinese characters on it...
Your thoughts?

Dimensions: 7,5 x 4 cms.

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Re: Netsuke or not...

Postby KPR » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:46 pm

A very interesting Netsuke in Iwami or Izumi style. Possibly the peg is lost. Did you find out the Signature?
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Re: Netsuke or not...

Postby chonchon » Mon Jun 13, 2016 3:59 pm

Yes, Netsuke all right. Some of the scribblings look playful, almost graffiti. The top right 7-letter per line poem is originally Chinese, and the scene seems to represent what is written in it. Chinese poetry was studied by scholars throughout Japan, so I doubt that this makes it in any way a Chinese object. ...海中央六里松天橋絶勝是仙... might bring up a hit. (?)

On the reverse, bottom right, are the characters 綿岡氏 Wataoka Shi, which refers to a Mr Wataoka. The owner? This honorific though would not be used by someone referring to himself. Perhaps a reference to the writer of the poetry? :?:
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Re: Netsuke or not...

Postby lmallier » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:02 pm

Thanks for your comments guys. Yes Klaus, you are right, center peg has been probably lost...

Here are some of my rare findings on this type of netsuke (if it has a name...)


Bonhams   A rare ivory netsuke By Ichimuken Nanka  19th century.jpeg


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Re: Netsuke or not...

Postby lmallier » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:07 pm

Well done Piers,
here is the exact poem (red markings on my netsuke) and found on a japanese website. The right part of the poem by someone who lived from 1403-1488 (supposedly)
Google translate is however completely "lost in translation" :lol:

http://marute.co.jp/~hiroaki/kansi_syuu ... sidate.htm


The landscape on the netsuke seems very likely to be a view of Amanohashidate, a very pittoresque place in Japan:

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The full story can be read there on this site:

http://www.geocities.jp/k_saito_site/do ... date1.html

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Re: Netsuke or not...

Postby Clive » Mon Jun 13, 2016 6:52 pm

Certainly a netsuke in my book and a lovely one at that.

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Re: Netsuke or not...

Postby NetsukeManiac » Mon Jun 13, 2016 11:46 pm

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Re: Netsuke or not...

Postby AFNetsuke » Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:52 am

Louis, this one of mine in mother of pearl is also missing it's mekugi (peg). Perhaps it had a metal ring fitting but yours probably did not as the ivory would be more likely to pick up staining from metal than MOP. It is ex-Mang.
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Re: Netsuke or not...

Postby lmallier » Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:15 pm

Thanks Clive and Dave for the kind comments.

Alan, surprising material for a netsuke! really not common... It must be quite thick because MOP tends to break easily no?

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Re: Netsuke or not...

Postby AFNetsuke » Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:47 pm

Louis, it is almost as thick as the original shell. If you've seen old abalone shells around the tidal rocks they attach to when alive you'll notice they get quite a lot of violent churning in the surf. Try prying one off the rocks. I've never broken one.
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