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Subject of this kagamibuta from Hokusai's Manga ?

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Subject of this kagamibuta from Hokusai's Manga ?

Postby Oishii » Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:56 pm

The humorous figure on this kagamibuta reminds us of the manga drawings by Hokusai.
The disc worked in kebori and katakiribori and seems to be signed 'Hogetsu' with kakihan ?
A samurai seems to be crushed by a very big and heavy object ;
the opinions are split as to what this object is : some see a stylised fish in it, others think it might be a unworked blade of a knife.
Any ideas welcome ! The subject may be a proverb ...
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Re: Subject of this kagamibuta from Hokusai's Manga ?

Postby AFNetsuke » Sun Jun 04, 2017 5:37 pm

The object reminds me of a metal spear head. The base is rolled nearly into a tube but not completely closed so it can fit onto a shaft (pole). If broken the spear head can be easily fitted to a different shaft by doing a little pounding or spreading if the new shaft is larger diameter. This type of archaic spearhead can be found from cultures all around the world.
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Re: Subject of this kagamibuta from Hokusai's Manga ?

Postby TSB » Sun Jun 04, 2017 6:48 pm

Hi Jan,

First I was also guessing an big blade, but as I looked more in detail and saw the leafs in the background, I saw the cut end at the leafs. So it must be a large fruit, perhaps an eggplant what the Samurai cut with his sword and then he was hit to the ground :lol: Whats the story behind we will see.
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Re: Subject of this kagamibuta from Hokusai's Manga ?

Postby Oishii » Sun Jun 04, 2017 7:07 pm

Brilliant, Thomas ! Well observed ...
Yes, when we look at it that way, it makes perfect sense ...
This suggests that the subject could be a satire ?
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Re: Subject of this kagamibuta from Hokusai's Manga ?

Postby dougsanders » Mon Jun 05, 2017 2:27 pm

It looks a bit like a loofah gourd- you can do an image search on google and see.
also, Princeton University (among others) has the manga scanned, online: https://pulsearch.princeton.edu/catalog/1687194#view
but I didn't see your image when I looked.

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Re: Subject of this kagamibuta from Hokusai's Manga ?

Postby carlomagno » Mon Jun 05, 2017 6:39 pm

Oh yes. It has to be a manga representation of a proverbe, something like does not matter how sharp is your sword or how skilled you are with your katana if you make a bad assessment of the situation. Very, very funny
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Re: Subject of this kagamibuta from Hokusai's Manga ?

Postby chonchon » Tue Jun 06, 2017 2:08 am

Hmmm... it's a different 法 Ho from the one listed in the MCI 寶月, but similar to the Hogetsu listed on p.80 of Dieuwke Eijer's Kagamibuta.
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