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Identifying Subject - person carrying stones on shoulder

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Identifying Subject - person carrying stones on shoulder

Postby lohrberg » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:20 pm

A person carrying stones on his shoulders

A netsuke from the Daily Life Scene of a worker in a quarry? Of course not !

I bought this netsuke in 2002. It was offered as "a foreigner carrying stones." A few well known collectors liked the piece, as an 18th century figure 10,5 cm, but they did not buy it, because the design was unclear. I told the seller: For me it is a Mountain Spirit. He carries rocks or a whole mountain. The dealer gave me a smile and said, he did not know. The netsuke originally came from Mr. Tsuneyuki Namiki. He did not have an idea as well. Joseph Kurstin, who was around shrugged his shoulders.
The years went by and I could not solve the question till today.
In a research by Ulrich Pauly of the OAG / Tokyo about the Hana matsuri of Nakashitara I read about Deities of the Mountain (Yama No Kami), but it did not bring a solution.
When I visited Heinz and Else Kress recently using their voluminous library I came to a Facsimile Reprint of an Unspecified Edition of Xixianji Banke Tulu - Western Chamber Romance - a classic of chinese Literature. There was an illustration of a person with rocks on his shoulders. There are other persons in the scenery and there is a short caption, which I cannot read.

Life must go on and I have to carry the heavy load of my ignorence as the netsuke person has to carry the rocks. Please see pictures of the netsuke and a copy from the chinese book,

Reinhard
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Re: Identifying Subject - person carrying stones on shoulder

Postby AFNetsuke » Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:03 pm

This is the kind of piece many of us will buy just to solve the mystery of subject, material, etc. A wonderful example, Rheinhardt. Thank you for sharing it with us. It seems I've seen a similar piece in the past but can't recall where.
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Re: Identifying Subject - person carrying stones on shoulder

Postby tanukisan » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:49 pm

They look rather flat shaped for assorted stones - could they be books of sutras perhaps?

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Re: Identifying Subject - person carrying stones on shoulder

Postby onimh » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:56 pm

I've no idea but my immediate thoughts are of an islander carrying shark fins. Just a guess.
Looks to me to be a very nice piece.

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Re: Identifying Subject - person carrying stones on shoulder

Postby carlomagno » Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:45 pm

A wonderful Netsuke Reinhard. Is it possible you post pictures of the object you call stones from different angles?
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Re: Identifying Subject - person carrying stones on shoulder

Postby chonchon » Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:06 am

Thank you for telling us this interesting story Reinhardt. Great Netsuke with great puzzle.

Looking around the net I found one of the legends of Kobo Daishi (founder of the Shingon Sect) where he formed a line of pointed rocks Hashi-gui-iwa) in the sea in Wakayama by picking them up and carrying them on his back in order to try and build a rock bridge. Of course this legend may have come from an earlier one in China.
http://www.japantimeline.jp/en/wakayama ... -iwa_rock/

Full story (in Japanese) here:
http://www.toku109.info/kansai/hashiguiiwa.html
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Re: Identifying Subject - person carrying stones on shoulder

Postby lohrberg » Tue Apr 11, 2017 1:39 pm

Additional images

On Juan Carlos' request two more images of the "Rocky Mountains".
They are rocks or stones or an assemblage to symbolize a mountain.

Then I add two more similar pictures from different Chinese books (facsimiles). Here we do not have a human being carrying the rocks, but a mythical animal similar to a turtle.
The first is from an author named Qu Yuan, Xiao, title is Sikuguan Buhui Xiao Shi.
The second is from a book Lisao Tu.

Either a man or an animal can carry the stones/rocks. It is a mystery. I wonder if this problem can be solved. It needs an expert. I am too much an amateur,

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Re: Identifying Subject - person carrying stones on shoulder

Postby KPR » Tue Apr 11, 2017 3:37 pm

lohrberg wrote:......Either a man or an animal can carry the stones/rocks. It is a mystery. I wonder if this problem can be solved. It needs an expert. I am too much an amateur,

Reinhard

In this case, each expert is an amateur and vice versa.
Maybe it's not mystery but history.
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Re: Identifying Subject - person carrying stones on shoulder

Postby carlomagno » Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:24 am

quite a different civilization but probably Reinhard is right
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Re: Identifying Subject - person carrying stones on shoulder

Postby KPR » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:46 am

JC, a very good idea.
Among the many parallels between Greek and Chinese mythology. Why should there be no CHINESE ATLAS.
Just look in the face.
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