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Wrongly described netsuke in books, catalogues etc...

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Re: Wrongly described netsuke in books, catalogues etc...

Postby Operafan » Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:35 am

Here it is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunbuku_Chagama

By the way, in Clive's post of 7th August, there is a Youtube link with the story beautifully told :) . And... a few other versions of netsuke on the subject.
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Re: Wrongly described netsuke in books, catalogues etc...

Postby tanukisan » Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:40 am

Here is another example fresh from E-bay -

“Very nice Netsuke made in wood by MINKOKU Genryosai, and dating from the Edo era, 19th century.Representing Yokai and his basket, through the hole we can see twofaces watching two, one red and one white.The axis of the basket allows to present each faces.The netsuke is made in cherry wood from Japan, and is signed on the bottom.”
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Re: Wrongly described netsuke in books, catalogues etc...

Postby Operafan » Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:44 am

To make it easier, here is the YouTube link which Clive posted ;) :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54LuAi30B-I
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Re: Wrongly described netsuke in books, catalogues etc...

Postby Oishii » Mon Oct 24, 2016 10:50 am

Thank you for the link on the Bunbuku Chagama, Alex !

John, this is another excellent example of a wrongly described netsuke ;)
This example seems a bit damaged and the wood may have been cleaned a bit too thoroughly ?
What do you guys think of the signature ?
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Re: Wrongly described netsuke in books, catalogues etc...

Postby tanukisan » Mon Oct 24, 2016 8:14 pm

Another current e-bay misattribution -

''Here we have a fantastic netsuke depicting two women, one is seated, reading from a scroll to her companion while she sweeps''
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Re: Wrongly described netsuke in books, catalogues etc...

Postby AFNetsuke » Mon Oct 24, 2016 11:44 pm

Some of these should be pretty easy to figure out if the sellers know much of anything about netsuke. Jittoku and Kanzan pieces do not include a "she" sweeping.
But these are from e-Bay so why should we expect much accuracy with the exception of a couple of dealers we are familiar with?
Question: when it becomes clear that an entry in one of your books is incorrect do you pen in a note or write it on a slip to include in the book (easily lost) or just tuck it in your memory?
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Re: Wrongly described netsuke in books, catalogues etc...

Postby NetsukeManiac » Wed Oct 26, 2016 12:21 am

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Re: Wrongly described netsuke in books, catalogues etc...

Postby Vlad » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:14 am

But eBay is too easy, Dave! :) Let's stick to the published sources (books, catalogues, our own journal). There is quite a few even in the 'biblical' ones, like Joly, or Lazarnick... 8-)
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Re: Wrongly described netsuke in books, catalogues etc...

Postby chonchon » Wed Oct 26, 2016 1:38 am

Not to mention Meinertzhagen...
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Re: Wrongly described netsuke in books, catalogues etc...

Postby tanukisan » Wed Oct 26, 2016 6:55 pm

Sorry Vlad but just cannot resist posting this piece up for auction shortly in the UK (auction house - not e-bay) -

'Early 20th century Japanese stained ivory netsuke carved as a shell, on side with a running oni, the other with a fat woman berating her husband, 5.5cm wide'.
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