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Shunga discussion - different grades

What subject or legend is depicted in your netsuke or sagemono?
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Tsunuki
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Re: Shunga discussion - different grades

Postby Tsunuki » Wed Nov 02, 2016 5:41 am

All my non-netsuke friends thought this one was inappropriate. Was it just a bad angle, or is it shunga? Imagine the first photo with the bottom half cropped away.
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Carved from umimatsu, presumably ivory inlaid eyes, measures 2.62" tall. Has a bottom to lower-back chimney himotoshi. And the usual "bought on ebay" disclaimer applies: I have no idea what the signature reads or if it's authentic
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Re: Shunga discussion - different grades

Postby lohrberg » Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:42 am

KPR wrote:This is the Itsumo Fuji covered with snow at sunrise.
Inside the Netsuke you can see a pair of lovers, the place of action is the resort Matsue.

Hey Klaus, your remark quoted above needs an explanation. We know the majestic shape of Mount Fuji. This hill,may be mountain, does not really look like Fuji san. What and where is Itsumo?
Then, where can I see the snow and how do you know, the sun rises?
What makes you say, the lovers bed their pillow in a resort named Matsue? It seem your imagination is strong.

Then I would like to ask you a favour: Please pull yourself together and do not show us the lovers activities in full. I fear, I might get traumatized.

A personal remark: I am not a shunga collector. I try to collect good netsuke. Sometimes it happens, that a good netsuke belongs to the category of shunga. I buy it nevertheless,

Reinhard

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Re: Shunga discussion - different grades

Postby KPR » Wed Nov 02, 2016 10:09 am

Reinhard, you seem to be the first to read my description and (rightly) question it.
I got my knowledge very easily. Inside the lid is this inscription.
Hopefully the reading and translation is fine.

The publication of the complete scene is not necessary, since one can complement the picture with little imagination.
Since you are not prude, I will send you a picture with PM. The scene contains something I've never seen so far at shungas.

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Re: Shunga discussion - different grades

Postby lohrberg » Tue Nov 22, 2016 6:21 pm

NO REGRETS! - Shunga must go on!

Shunga belongs to Japanese Art. All dealers worldwide offer Shunga.

Netsuke Pope Raymond (Bushell) in Chapter 11 of his famous book from 1975 Netsuke Familiar and Unfamiliar called them "Earthy Netsuke".

In Euronetsuke Journal (Chairman Rosemary Bandini) the two full centrefold pages are traditionally reserved for a shunga advertizing of a world famous dealer.

So, here we go.
A couple! We like animals, anyway. They are so cute!
But also cute little puppies need a "start up" to get into a physical being.

This netsuke seems to be rare. I know of only a second japanese work art of shunga animals, of which I made a reservation recently and which I might post here some day.
The netsuke is signed, has a perfect patina and is old (18th century),

Reinhard
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Re: Shunga discussion - different grades

Postby AFNetsuke » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:17 am

Puppy love at its best. Hope you show us the other example Rheinhardt.
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Re: Shunga discussion - different grades

Postby carlomagno » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:29 am

Reinhard another excellent Netsuke, good carving, composition, balance and purpose, full of emotions and physical display also isn't funny? :D :D :D
Nec spe nec metu

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Re: Shunga discussion - different grades

Postby chonchon » Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:28 am

Mitate at work?
Piers

Size is something.

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Re: Shunga discussion - different grades

Postby DSW90049 » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:32 pm

Love those frisky puppies, Reinhard.

Wonderful thread!

In evaluating Shunga, we should always be mindful of Dr. Sigmund Freud's immortal words:

"Sometimes, a cigar is just a cigar!"
"There is no shortcut to netsuke collecting; it takes time, study and patience. The market is flooded with utterly worthless rubbish. . . . "
Netsukes: Their Makers, Use and Meaning, H. Seymour Trower(1898)~~~~David

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Re: Shunga discussion - different grades

Postby jbjtennyo » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:21 pm

I thought President Clinton said that??
Judy

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Re: Shunga discussion - different grades

Postby chonchon » Thu Nov 24, 2016 12:43 am

Something about, "I didn't inhale (or impale)..." :D
Piers

Size is something.


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