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Fish & Other Aquatic Creatures as Netsuke Subjects

What subject or legend is depicted in your netsuke or sagemono?
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Re: Fish & Other Aquatic Creatures as Netsuke Subjects

Postby AFNetsuke » Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:16 pm

Hey now, people pay me to see those.
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Re: Fish & Other Aquatic Creatures as Netsuke Subjects

Postby AFNetsuke » Tue Apr 03, 2018 9:19 pm

Charlatans
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Re: Fish & Other Aquatic Creatures as Netsuke Subjects

Postby onimh » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:49 pm

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Re: Fish & Other Aquatic Creatures as Netsuke Subjects

Postby carlomagno » Wed Apr 04, 2018 10:57 pm

That is a little girl body stolen from the tomb in the north of Chile. ADN tests proved is just a deformity
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Re: Fish & Other Aquatic Creatures as Netsuke Subjects

Postby souldeep » Thu Apr 05, 2018 7:07 am

:lol: - I almost wondered if we were going to start seriously debating fantasy or fiction!!!

Mermaids of the west were generally depicted as women. I think the theory goes that sailors to areas like the Caribbean occasionally noted sea cows (Dugong/Manatees) sat on rocks in the distance. Being some what delirious from being at sea for so long - these didn't look half bad to a frustrated sailor. The folklore was born.

Alan's piece, and most probably the Feejee example, were based on the Japanese folklore of Ningyo. They were described with a monkey’s mouth with small teeth like a fish’s. Seems to fit both examples well. It is said to eat some of the flesh was to find serious longevity of life. I won't write more as I suspect John will come along with one of his wonderful tales from Japan.

A Japanese example of a Ningyo ca 1781 by the artist Toriyama Sekien from the Konjaku Hyakki Shūi ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Konjaku_Hyakki_Sh%C5%ABi );

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Re: Fish & Other Aquatic Creatures as Netsuke Subjects

Postby lohrberg » Mon Jun 11, 2018 7:12 pm

Fish and Ships

Sleepy netsuke community, please awake. It is our beloved Fish 'n Chips of course.
Another one got caught in the net. Real stingray skin plus lacquer, 8,8 cm,

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Re: Fish & Other Aquatic Creatures as Netsuke Subjects

Postby chonchon » Mon Jun 11, 2018 11:48 pm

It certainly captures the feeling of a freshly caught flatfish! How old do you think the Netsuke is, Reinhard?
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Re: Fish & Other Aquatic Creatures as Netsuke Subjects

Postby lohrberg » Tue Jun 12, 2018 12:57 pm

Dear Piers,
asking my opinion about the age of this netsuke, I would like to quote a passage from Reikichi "The Handbook of Netsuke". In the part "An Index of Netsuke Carvers" He writes:

DATES: Specific dates are given whenever they are known. In other cases the artist may be dated by the period or era with which he is most associated and for which corresponding Western dates are inserted in parentheses. In those cases where it is impossible to give either specific dates or eras, the artist is classified as early, middle or late. As stated in Chapter 13, the early period covers the years from the birth of the netsuke through Kansei (1800); the middle period the sixty-eight years from Kyowa (1801) untill the beginning of Meiji (1968); and the late period, those from the beginning of Meiji to the present. Thus the dating "early middle" means the early part of the middle period - that is, roughly the first half of the period between 1801 and 1868.

I like to follow Reikichi's guiding principle. Up to my knowledge concerning this flatfish netsuke, I cannot give a date or era.
Back to your question. My answer is middle,

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Re: Fish & Other Aquatic Creatures as Netsuke Subjects

Postby chonchon » Tue Jun 12, 2018 3:35 pm

Thank you for your long and considered reply Reinhard.
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Re: Fish & Other Aquatic Creatures as Netsuke Subjects

Postby NetsukeManiac » Tue Jun 12, 2018 4:13 pm

Correction: The beginning of Meiji was not 1968!

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