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Discussions, identification and analysis of the different types of Metals used in Netsuke, predominately Kagamibuta composition.
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Postby chonchon » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:13 pm

Ito lists 53 Netsuke-shi working partly or exclusively in metal, from early times up to 1945. (The list has 2,500 artists.)

What percentage is 53 out of 2,500? ...2%?

Interestingly his post-1945 list with the last 110 artists shows no workers in metal.
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Postby LUBlub » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:18 pm


OldKappa wrote:Shogetsu indeed. (K263, K183)

Since there is no metal artist recorded with that name, these are probably metal castings of a Shogetsu original.



OldKappa wrote:Shogetsu indeed. (K263, K183)

Since there is no metal artist recorded with that name, these are probably metal castings of a Shogetsu original.



Tks so much Antonio!
In fact the signature of the monkey in ivory is ShUgetsu, (different artist?)


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Postby LUBlub » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:26 pm


chonchon wrote:Ito lists 53 Netsuke-shi working partly or exclusively in metal, from early times up to 1945. (The list has 2,500 artists.)

What percentage is 53 out of 2,500? ...2%?

Interestingly his post 1945 list with the last 110 artists shows no workers in metal.

Tks. chonchon...What about the kind of metals they used? hjave some book?

I have this skull in silver but look as he was carved by hand and not any other technic...unsigned...Tks
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Postby OldKappa » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:30 pm

Different artist? It's either that or badly copied kanji by the metal worker who chiseled the signatures. It would be too much of a coincidence having two different ---getsus.

On the silver skull...it could be a lost wax casting. The Japanese where masters in metal alloys and metal working.

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Postby Tengu » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:35 pm

Originally Posted by OldKappa
Shogetsu indeed. (K263, K183)
Since there is no metal artist recorded with that name, these are probably metal castings of a Shogetsu original.

Interesting: The himotoshi are different, they are made later in the casting by hand.

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Postby OldKappa » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:40 pm

The photos are slightly different in position, I guided myself more by the proportions. As you say, they where finished by hand and each one would be slightly different.

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Postby LUBlub » Mon Jan 23, 2012 3:58 pm


OldKappa wrote:.....On the silver skull...it could be a lost wax casting. The Japanese where masters in metal alloys and metal working.

Hummm...the lines dividing the skull areas of the (top and laterals) are very
fines to be the result with lost wax procedure, but yes japaneses were very
experts...

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Postby NetsukeManiac » Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:04 pm


OldKappa wrote:Sorry if I offend you...but is it a netsuke? It wouldn't hang properly when the cord is taut.




No offense taken, OldKappa. The Tokyo National Museum has several of these in their netsuke collection. Here is a link to one that Brian posted some time back:



http://webarchives.tnm.jp/imgsearch/show/C0060371



And the photo shown is another one that I obtained from a book at the National Diet Libraray of Japan, Kansai Branch. Both are described as 'netsuke'.



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Postby chonchon » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:11 am

Well, in that case this would be an extreme example of Netsuke as dangling counterweight.

The opposite extreme should be a deeply-seated sashi Netsuke with the interesting bit (with himotoshi) just peeping up over the rim of the obi.
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Postby NetsukeManiac » Tue Jan 24, 2012 2:52 am


And it's hard to say what was on the other end of this netsuke. Even though it is hollow, it has a fair amount of mass that could be used as a counterweight.



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