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Metal Netsukes

Discussions, identification and analysis of the different types of Metals used in Netsuke, predominately Kagamibuta composition.
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Postby NetsukeManiac » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:31 am


OldKappa wrote:Sorry if I offend you...but is it a netsuke? It wouldn't hang properly when the cord is taut.




Actually you bring up some good questions, OldKappa. Firstly, what is the definition of a 'netsuke'? Here is the definition from our glossary:


Netsuke:
A small sculptural object, a cultural artifact that could be used as a toggle to suspend items hung from the sash (obi) of the kimono.

Are they always sculptural objects or cultural artifacts or toggles? I don't think so. Is a tall figural object with two holes that we have no evidence of ever being used as a netsuke really a netsuke? A better description of these would be an okimono with himotoshi. Do sashi or obihasami netsuke act as a toggle? The answer would be no, but they accomplish the same mechanical function.



The second would be how katabori netsuke 'hang from the sash properly'. Does anyone have some edo period documentation on how these netsuke are supposed to be 'worn' or how they are supposed to be 'hung properly'? Or were all of these 'rules' concocted by modern day collectors? Where is the research and documentation?



Just a few thoughts.



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Postby chonchon » Tue Jan 24, 2012 5:50 am


Somewhere (on this site?) I saw a painting (ukiyo-e?) of a long katabori figure acting as a Netsuke, lying flat on its back along the top edge of a kimono obi. The holes and strings led directly down behind the obi to the dangling Inro. Rather than simple roundness or thickness that we normally associate with functional Netsuke, did the very length of the figure add overlap and thus extra security in both directions, rather like a sea anchor? In such a scenario, the holes would want to be at the very center/centre of the object, ie the small of the back or upper buttocks
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Postby OldKappa » Tue Jan 24, 2012 6:58 am

If the wearer doesn't pull the cord taut then it will hang normally.

The site you indicate has the best group of bronze netsuke I have ever seen CLICK (page 2 to 6), four of them temple bells.

I cannot complain about weight because my tsuba netsuke is probably heavier!



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Postby LUBlub » Tue Jan 24, 2012 7:52 am


OldKappa
Tks very much for your investigation in the Tokyo National Museum.
With emotion I discovered two pieces they have in metal are almost twins of two of mines, my Samurai Helmet is in silver.

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Postby chonchon » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:34 am

OldKappa, how big is the one on the right? It looks quite similar in construction to my candle snuffer in "solve the mystery object".
http://netsuke.websitetoolbox.com/file?id=1221427
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Postby OldKappa » Tue Jan 24, 2012 10:11 am

About 3.5 cm wide.

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Postby chonchon » Tue Jan 24, 2012 11:57 am


OldKappa wrote:About 3.5 cm wide.


Ah, a good size then. Mine comes in at 2.9cm across...
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Postby LUBlub » Tue Jan 24, 2012 1:35 pm

The smaller metal inro in the world?

I can't imagine the purpose of this very small reproduction of Inro.
Please some ideas?...

Gold and silver inlaids (face A face B)
Ojime in metal with gold inlaid
Size 3 cm L. 2,4 cm W.
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Postby Vlad » Tue Jan 24, 2012 8:02 pm


Decorative?:)

"In 1778, ...the Shikigusa, a collection of essays, noted that "inro have lost their function and are only popular trifles" Joe Earle, Netsuke, 2001.
"Man sieht nur, was man weiß" - "One sees only what one knows". Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)

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Postby OldKappa » Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:43 am

Another one...

Saya 2 case brass-bronze inro (2.4x1.6cm). Rattan kiseruzutsu (5.9x0.8cm)

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