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Mystery material.. Quiz (2)

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Re: Mystery material.. Quiz (2)

Postby chonchon » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:27 am

You are not going to believe this, so stop reading now! ;)

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Just a month after discovering my shrunken head, er, shrunken citron(?) Netsuke, (p.4) and having been shown two of Ryan's examples in California, (p.9) I ran across another one today, with a hyotan gourd water flask and smaller gourd cup/ladle attached. Except that an onlooker suggested it might be a baby squash or pumpkin... :shock:
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Re: Mystery material.. Quiz (2)

Postby chonchon » Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:00 pm

These three objects did not necessarily start life holding hands, but someone in Japan thought fit to string them together.

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Re: Mystery material.. Quiz (2)

Postby AFNetsuke » Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:26 pm

That looks like the stem of a pumpkin or squash but I suspect the stem stopper is carved of wood and the flask is a gourd.
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Re: Mystery material.. Quiz (2)

Postby chonchon » Thu Jul 20, 2017 10:35 pm

Alan, are you saying that the Netsuke itself looks like a piece of gourd stem?
Closer shots. Two people standing beside me at the time suggested the Netsuke fittings could be silver, but to my eye they look plated, or possibly shibuichi, a silver/copper alloy.
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Re: Mystery material.. Quiz (2)

Postby AFNetsuke » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:35 pm

I was talking about the sagemono gourd with carved wood stopper. How to tell slightly oxidized silver from shibuishi I don't know and the netsuke could be any number of thingsin the squash family.
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Re: Mystery material.. Quiz (2)

Postby chonchon » Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:47 pm

Ah, thanks, so we've got you thinking squash now, no longer citrine? :D
Knowing the Japanese, they may well have experimented with different plants/fruits/nuts, so the search for one all-inclusive magic answer could well be a mirage, despite the finished article(s) looking somewhat similar! 8-)
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Re: Mystery material.. Quiz (2)

Postby Tsunuki » Fri Jul 21, 2017 2:18 am

This one doesn't look to be segmented like mine. It could very well be a different material.
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Re: Mystery material.. Quiz (2)

Postby Clive » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:31 am

Tsunuki wrote:This one doesn't look to be segmented like mine. It could very well be a different material.


The segmentation on yours was manufactured by a piece of string being tightened as the peal slowly dried.. on this the string used was much thinner and more evenly bound.. but in a few places you can see it was misplaced.. so instead o going across the centre, goes more to one side..

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Re: Mystery material.. Quiz (2)

Postby chonchon » Fri Jul 21, 2017 10:56 am

Most similar lines look like radiating spokes, but that one is vertical and off-centre. Almost as if they used some fine muslin/calico cloth for example.
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Re: Mystery material.. Quiz (2)

Postby Clive » Fri Jul 21, 2017 11:13 am

Perhaps it would help if I simply made an example.. documenting the process.


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