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Discussions, identification and analysis of the different types of vegetable and fruit used in Netsuke
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Clive
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Postby Clive » Mon Jan 30, 2012 12:48 pm


My pleasure Lub.. :)



Although the Caroline palm nut, like the other vegetable ivories can be stained artificially, it will develop such a deep warm caramel patina naturally after only a short time.

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Postby LUBlub » Mon Jan 30, 2012 1:04 pm

Clive...here the last photos I send of the Gyokuzan Manju, skull patina and himotoshis...more we wish to go inside at any "surgical" analysis
more we face the unknow land of the artist in his moment, his old tools, his old technic...the only concrete fact we have is that this manju is an Entada seed carved piece, and as a "bonus" is really nice.

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Postby KoBaas » Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:26 pm

The second netsuke Lub posted is certainly not a korozo nut.
But I don't know what it is. However I have two of these seedpods myself.
See pictures. The large one is 5x4x3 cm
In Lub's netsuke an oval piece is still in place, where my pods have natural holes. The seeds have burst out?
Lub said his netsuke is light and hollow, like mine.
There are some of these pods pictured in the Netsuke book by Alain Ducros

Does anyone know their name?

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Postby chonchon » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:07 am


The term vegetable ivory seems to cover a multitude of sins. I noticed Clive cleverly saying 'vegetable ivories' in the plural. It seems there were several large seeds or nuts used either for their shells or for the ivory inside.
For the life of me I could not see how Lub's Netsuke could be tagua until the photo above, where I suddenly realized that the skull itself is tagua, set into some other Entada seed pod or the equivalent.

Some time recently we had a discussion on the site somewhere about large Entada seed pods/shells... and there is quite a bit of information there, but the subject has not been properly researched and logged. It seems that the language used varies by continent, and some of these seeds float around the world on the ocean currents to be given different local names.
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Postby OldKappa » Tue Jan 31, 2012 7:46 am

This one fits KO's category (4.5x4.5x3cm).

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Postby LUBlub » Tue Jan 31, 2012 11:32 am

Some help to translate? Tks.

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Postby OldKappa » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:12 pm

Looks like Koichi (K154-K141).

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Postby OldKappa » Tue Jan 31, 2012 2:45 pm

Here you have another one that reads Ichiko.

The problem is that neither is listed.


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Postby chonchon » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:10 pm


Ito Ryoichi, p.16 lists an Ikko 一口 who worked in the mid Edo Period in wood.
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Postby LUBlub » Tue Jan 31, 2012 3:39 pm

tks. OldKappa and chonchon...
look more Ichiko than Ikko comparing OldKappa your brother with my sister but really the 3 signatures are extremely close...never finish.
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