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Discussions, identification and analysis of the different types of Horn (includes pressed horn - a synthetic)
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Postby DreamCollector » Thu Feb 11, 2016 10:42 pm

Hello again.
Insects made some holes in my manju netsuke, they told me the material is horn. The piece is not in the best condition. Still, I like the clouds and moon on this. The hole in the middle is not from insect, but is himotoshi.
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Postby souldeep » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:25 am

Hi DC,

Yes unfortunatly this is a common problem with this specific material.

The material is actually pressed horn (despite the name, nothing to do with animal horn). It's a kind of milky substance composed of sawdust and blood that gets pressed hard and dries.

Did you mean to share only half a picture?
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Postby DreamCollector » Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:35 am

Hello souldeep,
thank you for this pressed horn information. strange, is that mixed with blood from animal ?
The front looks like this, but I like the sky with moon on other side. It was bought for a very small amount.
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Postby Tama » Fri Feb 12, 2016 12:41 pm

DC, I have seen this at auction lately, I believe EBay. I passed this up or one very similar because of the damage. I do not mind wear on an older, honest netsuke. It's a way to get some at very low prices, however it makes it very hard to trade or sell later if you want to upgrade to a better netsuke. Congratulations on your win!

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Postby DreamCollector » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:08 pm

thanks for respons Tama and souldeep.
Does this mean that this nestuke is not carved like a normal netsuke, but made using a mold ?
I read somewhere that these netsuke are not considered very good or worthy of the arts-from.

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Postby Jordi » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:27 pm

An interesting and informative post on pressed horn in this thread, #10 by Norman L. Sandfield.

http://forums.netsuke.org/post/Authentic-Plastic-Netsuke-5413347

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Postby souldeep » Mon Feb 15, 2016 7:54 pm

Thanks Jordi - it looks like I have the wrong info. It's a milk protein that creates pressed horn.

GiantSquid is gonna kill me 'cos he's told me that enough times before (I did state milky note though) - I just keep reverting back to the blood mix lol.

My apologies DC - please read that thread Jordi has provided. Interesting info.
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Postby Jordi » Mon Feb 15, 2016 10:49 pm

Perhaps your mind keeps straying to having a traditional breakfast including some tasty black pudding! :D

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Postby AFNetsuke » Tue Feb 16, 2016 12:18 am

I've heard that pressed horn netsuke may also have been made by mixing ground horn with a binder (proteinaceous material) and molded.
Is this true and if so how do we tell the difference?
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Postby DreamCollector » Thu Feb 18, 2016 11:38 am

Thank you for these informations and knowing it is not animal-based makes it a little bit more appealing.
Maybe I should complain with the seller because he described it in terms of -horn- and -carving-




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