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Discussions, identification and analysis of the different types of Bone and Antler
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Postby chonchon » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:39 am

For reference. Not sure if this is the best place to put this. Some discussion of staghorn was done in Chon's Bits'n Pieces thread. Clive also posted a chunk recently... but where? Some photos of staghorn attached.

One side has been decorated in (?) Ainu style? The other has been polished and shows what polished staghorn can look like.. You will also notice that holes have been drilled in various places to (?) help the nerve channels to dry out, or for whatever purpose.
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Postby JimLewis » Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:59 pm

The decorations in the first picture remind me a LOT of old Eskimo art -- which kinda makes you think . . .
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Postby chonchon » Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:21 pm

"JimLewis":32g4xx78 wrote:The decorations in the first picture remind me a LOT of old Eskimo art -- which kinda makes you think . . .
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Jim, it could well be Esquimau. [img:32g4xx78]http://forums.netsuke.org/images/boards/smilies/comp.gif[/img:32g4xx78] It was in a an old box of similar bits.
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Postby Clive » Fri Feb 05, 2010 5:41 pm

Hi Chonchon,

Tell me.. do the holes at the top go all the way through to the holes at the bottom?

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Postby JimLewis » Fri Feb 05, 2010 6:11 pm

"chonchon":1ddgstvp wrote:
"JimLewis":1ddgstvp wrote:The decorations in the first picture remind me a LOT of old Eskimo art -- which kinda makes you think . . .
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Jim, it could well be Esquimau. [img:1ddgstvp]http://forums.netsuke.org/images/boards/smilies/comp.gif[/img:1ddgstvp] It was in a an old box of similar bits.
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Hmm. I was really hinting at a possible common ancestral art tradition for them.
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Postby AFNetsuke » Fri Feb 05, 2010 7:53 pm


Jim, would that be a 10 to 12 thousand year old connection? A solid land bridge has been gone for a long time. Actually that type of design can be found all over the world in artist decorations including 1000 year old Anasazi Indian pottery, Pre-Columbian art of South America and Meso-America and African decorative arts, etc. I think these incised angled lines are simply a pleasing and easily achieved decorative technique so was employed widely. But you are quite right about bein reminiscent of Eskimo designs, especially when applied to antler or bone.
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Postby gleeson » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:17 pm


"chonchon":1utejei3 wrote:For reference. Not sure if this is the best place to put this. Some discussion of staghorn was done in Chon's Bits'n Pieces thread. Clive also posted a chunk recently... but where? [/quote:1utejei3]

it was this post in the sea life thread in the subjects & legends forum...

[url=http://forums.netsuke.org/post/show_single_post?pid=38553437&postcount=16:1utejei3]http://forums.netsuke.org/post/show_single_post?pid=38553437&postcount=16[/url:1utejei3]
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Postby JimLewis » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:55 pm

[quote:2jk3is6p]Jim, would that be a 10 to 12 thousand year old connection? A solid land bridge has been gone for a long time. Actually that type of design can be found all over the world in artist decorations including 1000 year old Anasazi Indian pottery,[/quote:2jk3is6p]

There were (and probably still are) very similar eskimo/inuit/etc. populations all around the northern extremities of the world, not just up in North America. These people came across from Asia, and not everyone made the crossing.

I know the designs are similar to many North American aboriginal cultures, including the Anasazi and Hohokam -- but they too are (most of them, at least) descendants of the Bering crossing :) when you get right down to it.

Pure speculation, of course, but everything does seem to be connected to everything else at some point (or time) or another, and these kinds of traditions tend to be very long-lasting and conservative.
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Postby Vlad » Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:08 pm


Especially if you consider that the norther aboriginals of Japan are white and bearded and thought to originate from Siberia...:)
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Postby chonchon » Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:55 am


"Clive":hq6c5fi4 wrote:Hi Chonchon,

Tell me.. do the holes at the top go all the way through to the holes at the bottom?
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Clive, I think so, but let me get back to you on that this evening when I get home and can double-check. Why, BTW?
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