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Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Discussions, identification and analysis of the different types of Marine Ivory
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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby Vlad » Mon Nov 14, 2016 7:43 am

Just not to duplicate the old threads again...

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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby frankgreddick » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:43 pm

Was the conclusion that the piece's age was late Meiji period?, and is a domestic piece?

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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby souldeep » Mon Nov 14, 2016 10:06 pm

frankgreddick wrote:Was the conclusion that the piece's age was late Meiji period?, and is a domestic piece?

Hi Frank,

I'm happy to refer back to something sz said, and I quote;

szwang wrote:I feel I have to jump out here and say something about these two pieces...since I handled them both and actually possessed the first netsuke for a long time before.

The first it self is not unappreciable, the patina is one of the best I have seen on a piece of walrus ivory. But good patina doesn't equal to good carving or aesthetically high-level design. The carving and design aren't bad, but I just feel at least doesn't have a lot of aesthetic value to it. The style to me, although not an exaggerate export carving, but still lacks the older, or 19th century feeling. IMHO not even the beginning of 20th century. But again, the feeling of it in hand, the patina, and the little subject is still quite enjoyable.

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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby frankgreddick » Fri Nov 18, 2016 4:50 am

While I know valuations are not done primarily on this forum, is it possible for a member to PM me a rough estimate?

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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby souldeep » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:39 am

frankgreddick wrote:While I know valuations are not done primarily on this forum, is it possible for a member to PM me a rough estimate?

The same price you bought it for from the dealer (minus 5% to 30%) ;)
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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby frankgreddick » Wed Nov 23, 2016 1:53 am

Are repeating patterns on clothing indicative of 20th century netsuke, or is it more prevalent in later carvings?

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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby Tama » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:04 am

Start building a library and study like all collectors have to do to learn these things.

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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby frankgreddick » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:08 am

I have begun, but am merely wondering the overall opinion. In regards to joining the INS, as suggested by multiple members. What is the process of joining?

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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby chonchon » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:09 am

Good question!

Hard to be absolute here, but to my mind they are generally indicative of artistic shortcuts. These may indicate quantity before quality. When did this practice start? Perhaps after any Netsuke became a hit and then a standard pattern for a while, ie a guaranteed best seller?

I have seen old Netsuke seemingly completed in a lazy fashion, yet they are more anime/manga like, and show great artistry in their very minimalism.
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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby frankgreddick » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:12 am

Thank you for the insight chonchon.


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