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Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

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Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby frankgreddick » Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:52 am

Was the material for netsuke chosen based off subject matter, as in this netsuke? Or was it more the preference of the carver?
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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby AFNetsuke » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:42 am

To a large degree it depended on what was locally available or what the carver or his patron could afford. But obviously some artists or schools favored one material over others. For example, what percent of Osaka pieces are in stag?
In the piece you show what do you believe is the relationship between the subject and the material? I can't connect the dots.
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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby frankgreddick » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:45 am

From the other post on marine ivory, the material ironically matches the subject.

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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby chonchon » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:14 am

Catfish are river creatures, right?

The 光茂 Netsuke refers to the saying, "catching a catfish with a gourd", i.e. Doing something impossible.
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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby AFNetsuke » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:20 pm

Yep, river creatures or lakes. Except for the big Namazu buried deep in the earth that likes to wriggle a bit once in a while.
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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby jbjtennyo » Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:27 pm

So Piers, what you are saying is the the inscription on the bottom of this netsuke is not a signature but a "saying" or title of the netsuke itself,
"Catching a catfish with a gourd"?
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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby frankgreddick » Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:56 pm

That is the artists signature on the bottom.

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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby jbjtennyo » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:01 pm

Sometimes the kanji are an inscription referring to the subject matter, but going back and rereading, in this case, I do believe I misread Piers' post, and he is just telling you what the netsuke is referring to. Pardon me, please, as I read too quickly.
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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby frankgreddick » Thu Nov 10, 2016 5:12 pm

The subject matter is a "trying to catch a catfish with a gourd", the artists name is Mitsushige.

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Re: Marine Ivory Netsuke of Man holding down a catfish with a double gourd

Postby jbjtennyo » Thu Nov 10, 2016 6:04 pm

I know it says Mitsushige, Frank. Sometimes a kanji represents a word though instead of part of a name.. For instance. There are carvers who carve under the name Gyokuzan. But the kanji for Zan also means mountain, so in some cases the kanji would be a title or explanation of the netsuke itself. In this/your case NOT- I simply misread Piers post.
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