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fergil
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identification netsuke

Postby fergil » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:06 pm

Bonsoir, ci-joint quelque photos afin de dater et éventuellement identifier le sculpteur. Merci.
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Re: identification netsuke

Postby frankgreddick » Sun Dec 04, 2016 9:12 pm

While this is merely my opinion that others may or may not back up, I would say that these are NLO's. Merely modern carvings destined for the tourist trade.

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Re: identification netsuke

Postby chonchon » Mon Dec 05, 2016 12:38 am

D'accord. Sadly for you Fergil, Frank is correct. These look like 20th century pieces made for the tourist trade.
The signatures are added on as an afterthought, in the hope that they will attract a customer to the piece.
Among them, the first one is the most detailed, but even so, there are several warning signs for the cautious buyer. The red plaque/cartouche on the back is too fuzzy for me to see properly, but unfortunately the reading will probably not help you at all.
Sell them if you can, or better still take them off the market and keep them as a future learning tool for your friends. They are good examples of what not to buy.
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Re: identification netsuke

Postby frankgreddick » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:34 am

Ironically though, the first NLO's subject is genuinely interesting. A man tending his bonsai tree, a topic I have yet to see in a genuine netsuke.

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Re: identification netsuke

Postby Vlad » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:23 am

I think there is a slight difference between NLOs carved in sweatshops somewhere in Asia, and 20th century Japanese tourist souvenir pieces. Former are usually just poor copies of known old pieces (no time or reason to get creative), when latter may actually go wild with some unconventional styles and subjects. Neither are considered collectible by the INS members, but they may be collected by others. The man with the bonsai tree may actually belong to the latter group, but I would not expect, nor I would even like seeing it in what we consider authentic Meiji or earlier netsuke. It's rather boring... |(
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Re: identification netsuke

Postby frankgreddick » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:26 am

I agree with your points, I mentioned interesting as it is a topic I have yet to see. In either case these are modern carvings.

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Re: identification netsuke

Postby Tama » Mon Dec 05, 2016 1:20 pm

It's a good thing we are not all attracted to the same subjects in netsuke or there would not be enough to go around. Many of us enjoy the everyday life depicted in netsuke, as a matter of fact there is on here somewhere a topic of everyday life in netsuke. I find pleasure in these netsuke, it's a view into the simple life of long ago Japan.

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Re: identification netsuke

Postby Vlad » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:10 pm

Totally agree, Jill. It's just that the subject wouldn't perfectly fit into the shape expected of a netsuke and there were a few okimono already depicting it and created during the "real life" carving period of Meiji ;) But even those... :roll:
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Re: identification netsuke

Postby Tama » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:03 pm

My comment was taken too literally, not necessarily aimed at men with bonsai. I was referring to everyday life in netsuke, a broader view.

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Re: identification netsuke

Postby Vlad » Mon Dec 05, 2016 4:19 pm

Sure, and that's why I have started with agreeing. ;)
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