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Postby DSW90049 » Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:19 pm

Peter, here's what Alan Ducros has to say about skeleton-themed netsuke, which you may find of interest:

"We should keep in mind that Erwin Baelz who was the doctor of Emperor Meïji collected netsuke and was fond of skeletons. That might have accounted for a number of them. Skeletons as ghosts are rare in Japan. The most famous is the Kuniyoshi’s in Soma no Furudairi, but it does not suggest a death allegory as in Europe. Generally ghosts are shown degradating but not to the skeleton state. They are skinny, without feet and with flowing untidy hair and showing a debilitated person. There are a number of books on wandering souls (gaki, ghosts looking like little naked figures) and on hell, but we are far from the European model and the Japanese do not have the fascination for death such as the Mexicans have."

- for academic discussion purposes only, from:


From time to time, Mr. Ducros will post on this Forum - [i:13w96sru]let's hope he sees yours and comments.[/i:13w96sru] I like (if 'like' if the right word for enjoying the aesthetics of something which is gruesome looking) it very much. Beautiful wood too.

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Netsukes: Their Makers, Use and Meaning, H. Seymour Trower(1898)~~~~David

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Postby peter » Thu Feb 17, 2011 8:23 pm

Thank You David.
I am not sure, could to show to Alain Ducros on the symposion maybe not. After the Ducros presentation we discussed about my Tomokazu tiger and this I bought later. I was able to show to Gabor Wilhelm and later Max and after few people in the Moss gallery evening. As You know the collectors group together, we made a consultation meeting immediately. After I arrived home I spend my time this skeleton (gaki) background looking information's and books catalogs etc. NICE JOB.
And satisfied because all collectors estimated over my payment.
Peter


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Postby DSW90049 » Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:47 pm

Enjoy it, Peter!
I was so sorry to have to miss London last Fall.

We are gearing up (and saving up!) for the INS Convention here in Los Angeles in May.
We sincerely hope you can come, Peter![img:1xltakhl]http://forums.netsuke.org/images/boards/smilies/cool.gif[/img:1xltakhl]

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Postby peter » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:33 pm

I thing so the memento mori, and vanity , as motives were popular in medieval Europe.
You could find number of pictures, sculptures from this age. Later the skull became as motive belong to doctors or other educated people. It's still working. . Last year 01 december2010 in Paris , the Fraysse auction house / see lot 133-139 / sold a Japanese netsuke, naturally put to the base etc. 7000 Eur. most of memento mori were sold high prices. www.fraysse.net/flash/index.jsp?id=8013&idCp=19&lng=fr
The background of skulls skeletons in Europe or in Japan maybe a differnt thread.
Peter



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Postby peter » Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:38 pm

To visit LA. convention I am still hesitating.
It's depend many of background circumstances, and financing too.
Will be nice.
Peter



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Postby peter » Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:43 pm

As I promised few interesting netsukes from the van Daalen collection.
This small but perfect exhibition belonged to the Christie's house ( not for sale) and were part for the symposium members. Two other glass case were exhibited the material witch regularly used the netsuke carvers . different bone stone wood etc. If you wanted I could send that pics too.
Next time few moment from the crypt evening. Want You?
Peter

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Postby peter » Mon May 30, 2011 7:28 pm

Now I was finding few additional Van Daalen info.
Please see the You Tube links.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMci7etxN8U&feature=related
There are more links too



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