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Inherited Netsuke no. 7

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PhillipRVA
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Inherited Netsuke no. 7

Postby PhillipRVA » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:13 pm

Thank you for the replies so far!
Number 7.. some kind of kabuki player..?

Cheers!

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Re: Inherited Netsuke no. 7

Postby Oishii » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:29 pm

Hi Phillip,

Nice one !
This looks like an authentic, quite powerful and compact netsuke of an "Oni", protecting himself from the beans thrown at him at "Setsubun".

The signature seems to read "Masanao". There are quite a few carvers signing with that name. One of them, Masanao of Kyoto, is considered by many to be the greatest artists ever to have held a carving knife ;-)

Does this one have "natural himotoshi" instead of the drilled variety ?
Jan

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Re: Inherited Netsuke no. 7

Postby PhillipRVA » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:38 pm

Exciting! Do you think it can be Masanao of Kyoto?
What knowledge you have.. I thought the lucky god was more beautiful than this one - showing that I have a lot to learn..

I can take a look at the Himotoshi. With drilled you mean that a hole was made in the wood?
And with natural that there is a gap between for instance arm and leg? Or a natural hole in the wood that was used?

Kindest!

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Re: Inherited Netsuke no. 7

Postby souldeep » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:57 pm

No. This one Masanao of Ise.

A nice piece. Could you share more of it close up?
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Re: Inherited Netsuke no. 7

Postby AFNetsuke » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:13 am

Phillip, natural himotoshi are holes created by an opening between parts of the netsuke carving such as you mention. If you use the Search function for "natural himotoshi" you should find many examples. Unfortunately many people will call such an opening a himotoshi when a little thought would show the opening would not allow for a proper cord placement. Usually this leads to the piece dangling by a loop in the tail, etc. Netsuke generally fetch a higher price than a similar miniature carving so trying to see himotoshi in a little okimono is not surprising.
Alan

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Re: Inherited Netsuke no. 7

Postby PhillipRVA » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:57 am

So when Himotoshi are drilled, this is generally positive for the price?
And did the Japanese also make miniature carvings not for usage as a Netsuke but just as a talisman or something?

I will look at the Himotoshi of this one when im home.

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Re: Inherited Netsuke no. 7

Postby souldeep » Wed Dec 27, 2017 10:59 am

No. Natural himotoshi can be more desirable for some.

Many export and NLO have himotoshi applied, without consideration for position on the sash, to try and call it a netsuke.

Good Okimono (or as you call it, miniature carvings) also have later himotoshi applied to try and make them more valuable.

A good functional netsuke should be compact, no protrusions that can be easy to break off. That doesn't really work on the majority of Okimono.

With your model, it looks like the knot would seat under the oni's chin, with the cord exiting between the legs. But more photos would allow us to be more precise.

It's all about the quality, subject and provanance that affects price.
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Re: Inherited Netsuke no. 7

Postby PhillipRVA » Thu Jan 04, 2018 11:15 am

Some more photo's!

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Re: Inherited Netsuke no. 7

Postby peter » Thu Jan 04, 2018 2:54 pm

Oops i like this.
The signature masanao maybe ise-yamada.
Lovely compact piece.
Peter

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Re: Inherited Netsuke no. 7

Postby carlomagno » Thu Jan 04, 2018 10:23 pm

Yes is a nice compact piece but a four fingers claws oni always bother me
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