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tigerlilly
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Man in a shell

Postby tigerlilly » Mon Jan 08, 2018 10:24 pm

Thanks Modteam. It's a little disappointing but I truly appreciate finding out about these. For what they are, they are still intriguing. I read your thread and I'm seeing what you talking about. The finer details that indicate an NLO. I'm looking at this batch now, fairly certain which ones are NLO items. I would like to post only two more. Again, thank you for all the information you have provided. I have learned considerably in the short time I've been on this board.
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Re: Man in a shell

Postby ModTeam » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:27 pm

Dear tigerlilly,

Welcome to the netsuke and sagemono lounge :)

The item(s) you have posted are categorised as an NLO (Netsuke Like Object). These types of works are commonly reproduced in the far east, are non Japanese, and have unreadable signatures applied.

We would also like to take this opportunity to make you aware we don't offer valuations on the forum, and solicitation of items is prohibited. That being said we are comfortable to say that NLO's are worth little to nothing commercially, and the real value will only be apparent in some form of sentimental meaning this piece may hold for you.

To help you understand more about NLO's we would like to direct you to read this introduction on modern souvenir productions (NLO's) - viewtopic.php?f=12122&t=7940207

Your topic has been moved into the Modern Tourist Souvenir Netsuke & Netsuke-like Objects forum. As little more can be said on the NLO, this thread has been locked.

You are actively welcomed to create further topics, ask questions, or share more of your collection. If you are genuinely interested in learning more about netsuke and sagemono we would encourage you to make use of the search feature on the forum, and look through the many examples of authentic netsuke already posted.

We hope to see you develop a genuine interest in this addictive art form, and please know, a friendly community of helpful individuals awaits to answer any further questions you may have.
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Re: Man in a shell

Postby ModTeam » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:33 pm

Hi tigerlilly,
By now, you should be seeing that all the things you are posting are similar in style, and that no matter what object you post from this group, if they all look like this, they are all NLOs.
You can go and look on ebay, and you will see that these fake knock offs are carved and sold in lots of several at a time even, none of them any better than the next. I would like to know that the tutorials, images and other threads here, which offer a rich education on netsuke would be enough to show you that these things you have are not on the right track.
If you are buying these, you need to try and get your money back. If they were sold to you as authentic or Japanese or even ivory, chances are you have a case for a return. They have no value whatsoever.
So sorry.
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Re: Man in a shell

Postby Oishii » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:36 pm

Hi Tigerlilly,

Nice to see your positive attitude and that you want to learn more about this fascinating field.

I'm afraid the items you posted here are also in the NLO category.

At first sight, from the pictures, the first piece - the Chinese figure within a lotus plant (?) - looks like resin and not carved ; some incisions and ink marks were added ?
To help you visualise the differences between these modern tourist pieces and genuine netsuke, we can compare some of the features here :

Let's take a look at some of the patterns incised on the dress of the Chinese figure. Do you see the difference in strength and character ? The patterns on the authentic piece are common and typical for a school of carvers from Osaka. (Hidemasa)
The patterns on your piece are more shallow and seem rushed, they may even be drilled with an electric tool, but not sure of this.
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If we look at the face and particularly the eyes, there is also a big difference.
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The back of your piece with some comparable parts of netsuke, eg. of a lotus leaf. You see how the Japanese represent nature and the features of such a plant in a fascinating way ? The drilled himotoshi on your piece seem not to make much sense : In authentic pieces there would be an opening under the stem to form a natural way to attach the cord.
Overall we can say that these NLO-items are made fast and the work is sloppy, without the care and strive for excellence that is a hallmark for many of the craft of the Japanese.
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Re: Man in a shell

Postby tigerlilly » Mon Jan 08, 2018 11:47 pm

Yes I see the difference in both the quality and painstaking design. I did not purchase these. They were part of both my mother's estate and my father-in-law's estate. Considering they were purchased over forty years ago, I wanted to be certain about their history. Many thanks for all your help. It truly was appreciated.


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