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Tourist Netsuke

Postby tigerlilly » Mon Jan 08, 2018 5:33 pm

First of all, I want to thank the authors who replied to my submission, Rats with a Round of Cheese. I had a feeling it wasn't as old or as true. It's cute but not the genuine article as I thought. I have a couple of others that I would like validated if that's okay. The newer reproductions are far easier to determine. It seems the ones of thirty to forty years ago are a little harder to discern but I think I'm getting better at it. I have two that are in question. From reading, I have learned that the himotoshis of genuine netsukes were different sizes. One was usually smaller. Of these two, I think one may be the real deal. The other, not too sure. With the one, I can't figure out if he's riding a fish or a bird. That should probably tell me something right there. How does one begin to decipher the signatures?
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Re: Tourist Netsuke

Postby ModTeam » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:03 pm

Dear tigerliliy,

Welcome to the netsuke and sagemono lounge :)

The item(s) you have posted are categorised as an NLO (Netsuke Like Object). These types of works are commonly reproduced in the far east, are non Japanese, and have unreadable signatures applied.

We would also like to take this opportunity to make you aware we don't offer valuations on the forum, and solicitation of items is prohibited. That being said we are comfortable to say that NLO's are worth little to nothing commercially, and the real value will only be apparent in some form of sentimental meaning this piece may hold for you.

To help you understand more about NLO's we would like to direct you to read this introduction on modern souvenir productions (NLO's) - viewtopic.php?f=12122&t=7940207

Your topic has been moved into the Modern Tourist Souvenir Netsuke & Netsuke-like Objects forum. As little more can be said on the NLO, this thread has been locked.

You are actively welcomed to create further topics, ask questions, or share more of your collection. If you are genuinely interested in learning more about netsuke and sagemono we would encourage you to make use of the search feature on the forum, and look through the many examples of authentic netsuke already posted.

We hope to see you develop a genuine interest in this addictive art form, and please know, a friendly community of helpful individuals awaits to answer any further questions you may have.
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Re: Tourist Netsuke

Postby ModTeam » Mon Jan 08, 2018 7:29 pm

Hi Tigerlilly,
So sorry to not have better news for you, but we had to move your carvings to the NLO thread. This is a 20C tourist carving that is probably not even Japanese in origin. I am unsure of the material, as I don't see schreger lines that would imply ivory. You mentioned the himotoshi...The style of the himotoshi is not a measure of authenticity, as there are holes the same size and there are those with one larger than the other.- both are authentic-Although it may be an indication of age, there are several that break the rule of thumb. But the himotoshi on your boy riding the elephant is wrongly placed and would sit upside down if used- It should have been on the bottom or back side if it were a true netsuke.
The signatures have no merit on carvings like these, as they are copied poorly, and not legible.
The one of a man riding a bird kind of eludes to the story of the Tongue-cut sparrow - a Japanese legend- but the netsuke has been copied poorly from something, so the legend does not lend any authenticity to the carving. Neither has any value other than sentimental value for you if they were owned by family members.
I am sorry to give you such bad news, but it is important that we are honest with people, as there are many fakes out there, and it is important to study and know what you are looking at, preferable before you purchase anything.
Take a look at the images on this site or in books regarding netsuke- there are many. Try and find the differences in them so that you are better equipped in the future when an opportunity arises.
Good luck! - and Happy Hunting!
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