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Nicole
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First time collector- signature/material help

Postby Nicole » Sun Dec 03, 2017 6:41 pm

Hello all. I've been admiring Netsuke for some time and have fijnally been lucky enough to get my hands on some. However, I am struggling to learn more about them... any help is so greatly appreciated!
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AFNetsuke
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Location: Central California coast, USA

Re: First time collector- signature/material help

Postby AFNetsuke » Mon Dec 04, 2017 1:52 am

Dear Nicole,

Welcome to the netsuke and sagemono lounge :)

The item(s) you have posted are categorised as an NLO (Netsuke Like Object). These types of works are commonly reproduced in the far east, are non Japanese, and have unreadable signatures applied.

We would also like to take this opportunity to make you aware we don't offer valuations on the forum, and solicitation of items is prohibited. That being said we are comfortable to say that NLO's are worth little to nothing commercially, and the real value will only be apparent in some form of sentimental meaning this piece may hold for you.

To help you understand more about NLO's we would like to direct you to read this introduction on modern souvenir productions (NLO's) - viewtopic.php?f=12122&t=7940207

Your topic has been moved into the Modern Tourist Souvenir Netsuke & Netsuke-like Objects forum. As little more can be said on the NLO, this thread has been locked.

You are actively welcomed to create further topics, ask questions, or share more of your collection. If you are genuinely interested in learning more about netsuke and sagemono we would encourage you to make use of the search feature on the forum, and look through the many examples of authentic netsuke already posted.

We hope to see you develop a genuine interest in this addictive art form, and please know, a friendly community of helpful individuals awaits to answer any further questions you may have.
Alan

Hah481
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Joined: Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:36 pm

Help w/ signature, material, etc.

Postby Hah481 » Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:47 pm

Any info at all would be greatly appreciated, thankyou. Couldnt find info on signature. There are lines on the bottom that dont show up too well in the pic, not sure if this indicates ivory?
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ModTeam
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Re: Help w/ signature, material, etc.

Postby ModTeam » Thu Dec 21, 2017 5:10 pm

Dear Hah481,

Welcome to the netsuke and sagemono lounge :)

The item(s) you have posted are categorised as an NLO (Netsuke Like Object). These types of works are commonly reproduced in the far east, are non Japanese, and have unreadable signatures applied.

"Trick" pieces with revolving faces are common NLOs.

We would also like to take this opportunity to make you aware we don't offer valuations on the forum, and solicitation of items is prohibited. That being said we are comfortable to say that NLO's are worth little to nothing commercially, and the real value will only be apparent in some form of sentimental meaning this piece may hold for you.

To help you understand more about NLO's we would like to direct you to read this introduction on modern souvenir productions (NLO's) - viewtopic.php?f=12122&t=7940207

Your topic has been moved into the Modern Tourist Souvenir Netsuke & Netsuke-like Objects forum. As little more can be said on the NLO, this thread has been locked.

You are actively welcomed to create further topics, ask questions, or share more of your collection. If you are genuinely interested in learning more about netsuke and sagemono we would encourage you to make use of the search feature on the forum, and look through the many examples of authentic netsuke already posted.

We hope to see you develop a genuine interest in this addictive art form, and please know, a friendly community of helpful individuals awaits to answer any further questions you may have.
The ModTeam

Hah481
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Joined: Thu Dec 21, 2017 3:36 pm

Further my education

Postby Hah481 » Sat Dec 23, 2017 6:11 pm

In the spirit of learning I'm soliciting the boards expertise. I recently posted and was placed in the nlo bin and the thread locked. Wasn't sure if it was locked because that's protocol w/ new users or another reason. Didn't see any other threads locked so hoping I didn't do something in poor form. At any rate I've since confirmed the piece is in fact authentic elephant ivory, shows proper wear at the holes, proper coloration/cracks, detail and technique, came from a reputable dealer, and I've seen that same signature being sold at what seems a reputable auction house as authentic. I'm guessing it got thrown into nlo for the trick face/theme or it wasn't quite old enough. I'm weighing a return trip to confront the seller but would like the proper ammo. If it was an age thing is that common practice or was the seller in the wrong to say it was authentic. If its a nlo based on some gray area I'm not as apt to confront him on it. And to be clear I'am in no way sore w/ the nlo evaluation just interested in further info. From reading some threads I understand these threads can be a bit tiresome for true collectors educating newbies. With that in mind I appreciate the forum's patience.

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Oishii
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Re: Further my education

Postby Oishii » Sat Dec 23, 2017 7:53 pm

Hi Hah481,

we appreciate your reaching out again to us and want you and other new posters know that this community is here to help.
And we are sorry that locking your NLO-post sent the wrong signal on this occasion.

As you mentioned, some time ago the Lounge received an abundance of NLO-post that seemed to bother some of our collector base.
To accommodate this concern, the Modteam decided to conceal these posts from the INS-Members and to respond with a standardised post and lock the thread.
This seemed to be a good solution for both new and old collectors, but a few things remained a bit uncomfortable :
- what about the netsuke that are in the grey area between crude NLO and authentic piece ?
- would locking the thread not be perceived as somewhat un-welcoming to new members ?

After hearing the opinions of the community it was decided to leave the posts open for netsuke in the grey area, so that members would be able to give their opinion and expertise. But the NLO Forum posts would stay concealed from the INS members.
Recently we saw that being welcoming, personal and inviting to new members - eg. Curt and Henrik - really can make a big difference. It can give new members confidence and sense of belonging which is all important when coming into a community like ours.

It is a good thing that the dealer would be open to take this piece back and refund.
To be honest, we are sorry to say that we can not find much merit in this carving ...
But as you said, in order to give you "ammo" to the dealer, some opinions of fellow members might be worthwile, so we have unlocked and merged your post with the trick netsuke together with this one.

Please do not hesitate to ask any questions you may have about this fascinating field.
Welcome !
Jan


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